Not sure if that is the way it works in Star trek.
Q's return but Picard is different now.
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Not sure if that is the way it works in Star trek.
The central idea of the Ship of Theseus is to ask if something can retain its essence/identity when none of its original components remain, the fact that none of Picard’s original cells remain is essential to the comparison.
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The no-cloning hypothesis is the way it works in the Universe. No debate. And all it takes is for a writer to say "That's how it works!" for it to work that way in Trek.
In Star Trek consciousness is separate from the body.
And as I recall the TNG Tech Manual specifies that transporters work on a quantum level, while replicators work on an atomic or molecular level. I always took that as being to provide the benefit of the doubt about consciousness/the soul remaining intact during transport.
No i get that. But they have clones in the trek universe.
Some those episodes are debatable. Except maybe when Sargon and his people took over Kriks/spock's etc. bodies and even than I dont remember kirk being conscious. Just some of what makes kirk kirk in the orb. So we don't know the specifics.
At any rate I still think Picards just a copy. His original memories etc are gone. Though again I'm sure the writers will say that is not so.
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Which is really all that matters.
And what about Chakotay being disembodied? The soul transfer with Kirk and Lester? This is not new to Trek just because we don't know the specific details. You can treat Picard as a copy all you want but that doesn't change how the show is treating him.
Which Riker is the copy?
The second one.
that was the point.
Star Trek III clearly shows a simple and effective method of separating body from consciousness and transferring it more than once
Whatever about TNG everything on Voyager works on "quantum"
sort of. The transfer from McCoy’s mind to spock’s new body appears to be a transfer, but the one from the original Spock to McCoy seem to be a copy, as Spock is still alive for several minutes afterwards. Also, nothing forbids the latter transfer to be just copying, with the priestess deleting the original from McCoy’s mind after completing it.
Yes but the point is consciousness and body and be separated in the Trek universe which some were claiming it cant
but it isn’t demonstrated by this occurrence. It is by others, though, such as the body swap in turnabout intruder.
There is a lot of examples all of which make what happened to Picard plausible in Trek
I'm sure that's exactly what Sarek wanted.
I totally agree. I was just saying that this was not a good example, but there are better ones around.
what do you mean?
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