Public perception of Star Trek?
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Please don't do that.
Intent is not always easy to read, and people may misunderstand something you thought was clear. If that happens, you can try rephrasing, so that your statement is more clear to all, but don't call someone dense for not getting it the first time. Don't make it personal.
If you talk to someone in a condescending fashion, you're going to get a chippy response.
Star Trek has never been boring - until JJ Abrams took it over and made it nothing but a big long special effects demonstration reel (ok, Seasons 1-3 of ENT are boring).
What Star Trek has been is politically dangerous by being multicultural, anti-cultural relativism, atheistic, and humanistic which has earned it decades of slander.
Which is funny because it was pitched as "action and adventure."
I think Abrams hit the tone of TOS just fine, regardless of public perception of Trek. The films were accessible to casual film goers and many fans that I know alike.
If my wife, who is a newb to Trek, and my dad, who grew up with Trek, and I enjoy it, then I call that a win.
I think Abrams hit the tone of TOS just fine, regardless of public perception of Trek. The films were accessible to casual film goers and many fans that I know alike.
If my wife, who is a newb to Trek, and my dad, who grew up with Trek, and I enjoy it, then I call that a win.
Slander?
Star Trek has never been "politically dangerous". All the things it gets credit for were also being done by other shows of the time.
I personally feel the Star Trek format is big enough for everything from "The Cage" to Star Trek Into Darkness. I know I've enjoyed quite a bit of it (including the two I just mentioned).
Nope.
Yep.
Really? You don't think in a country where 40+% of the people still think that a Jewish sky being created everything 60 years ago that there's political interests against say:
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Except a lot of shows take that stance and do so much more directly than abstract nonsense.
Let's not have the "Picard's speech in 'Who Watches the Watchers'" discussion here, shall we? If you want to have a wrangle about that, the TNG forum is the place. (And I'm sure Mutai would be so thrilled to see it.)
Let's put it this way: Captain Planet, a shitty environmental cartoon aimed at 5-year-olds, directly tackled AIDS in an episode that aired nearly a decade before Trek even tried to approach it. It's freaking bizarre to see (they couldn't mention sex, for a start), but at least they didn't use mind-melds as a wonky metaphor.
Anyway, since when did people who are angered by 'atheist, humanist, blah blah-ist' themes, respond by simply calling the show boring and cheesy? Usually angry zealots respond a bit more...angrily.
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Captain Planet reference?
You win.
You win.
True. (looks for the nearest torch and pitchfork).
Also, why can't something be both? I love SF Debris comments on The Motion Picture that if it has action, it's for the unwashed masses but if it's a cure for insomnia it's art. It's a paraphrase but that's how it feels to me. The opinion seems to be action=not deep.
I just think there can be a balance between the two. Star Trek had a lot of different facets and that included action, comedy, commentary and serious dialog.
Is that how they respond? It's quite normal for propaganda groups to spread contempt for something they consider politically dangerous. Whereas the original Star Trek might deserve some of this contempt for general primitive TV cheeseballyness it was in no way any more cheesy than most of the other 60's action/adventure shows and really fit right in with them.
I mean that Star Trek was and has been targeted by a more "high level" character assassination campaign. Similar to how video games are maligned frequently by TV networks as in some way being "juvenile" while watching the latest police procedural or sitcom miraculously isn't juvenile. It's about getting rid of competition and crafting ideological narrative.
Video games are a competitor with TV networks for peoples' entertainment money and free time. Every hour someone enjoys a video game is an hour's worth of TV ad money lost.
Prove it. Link to an example of a 'group' doing said 'assassinations' against Trek that is not sourced from:
a) other fans bickering on this board
b) Stormfront. Coz that's just low-hanging fruit.
c) aren't simple critiques from people who have legitimate reasons for not liking the show.
What this has to do with people in this thread saying 'bullshit" to the refrain of Roddenberry and Berman's particular brand of Star Trek Propaganda, I don't know...
a) other fans bickering on this board
b) Stormfront. Coz that's just low-hanging fruit.
c) aren't simple critiques from people who have legitimate reasons for not liking the show.
What this has to do with people in this thread saying 'bullshit" to the refrain of Roddenberry and Berman's particular brand of Star Trek Propaganda, I don't know...
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