PSN down thread

[137th Gebirg]

One can dream.


However, to be fair, the international class-action lawsuit that's already being built around this is going to make the BP settlement look like chump change, especially if any number of people can prove that the stolen information resulted in identity theft and fraud. Shouldn't be difficult once the fake credit cards start getting applied for under the victims' names and account passwords start getting hacked - and said hacking easily documented.

Either way, I recommend that if anyone owns Sony stock, they should probably look to dumping it soon.

 

[Jax]

Bye bye Sony! Their consumer electronics suck, their Blu Ray format sucks and now this. Good riddance...

Getting a little carried away ey, Sony may of hit a large brick wall but I don't think its going to come crashing down on them just yet.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Read my previous post. They'd better have some serious extra spare change lying around to cover their expenses on the inevitable litigation. This isn't a few thousand boatmen and their families in a local market who can't fish in the water anymore - while clearly not as tragic in loss of life and livelihoods, yes, but this is MILLIONS of pissed-off gamers around the globe (77 million, to be precise). Couple that with a guaranteed mass-migration to other consoles or a renaissance back to traditional PC games. Sony's revenue base will dry up but the lawsuits won't and their shareholders will bail out in droves. Do the math. They're sunk.

Here's a good summation. It has already begun:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110428/bs_nm/us_sony

 

[Brikar99]

Blu-Ray totally sucks. I just loathe watching movies with crystal-clear video and uncompressed surround sound.

 

[137th Gebirg]

...And discs and menus that don't load properly and the now-ubiquitous warning about (paraphrasing) "Because Blu-Ray is still an experimental format, some menu features may not function on some players, necessitating a firmware upgrade" or some such bullshit.

In a post I made in the old "Has BluRay Failed?" thread, I mentioned that that disclaimer should really say "Because Blu-Ray is still some half-baked hair-brained idea from Sony, we would advise you simply give this disc to your dog as a chew-toy, because you won't even be able to navigate to the Episode Index from the main menu".

I said it then and I'll say it again, I've had many problems with all kinds of different discs, some working fine, others never being able to even get beyond the initial load, and varying degrees in between. I despise BR and I knew we were in trouble when it was finally "accepted" as the industry standard.

Sony gets what they deserve for their hubris. Period.

Do I ** really ** need to invoke the great Onion Oracle again to prove my point?

 

[Jax]

Sony will be around for many years to come, the quicker you make peace with that then you can be happy again

 

[137th Gebirg]

Heh. Or I can be even happier and continue not to by Sony products and watch with great joy and gladness as others finally realize that they need to now do the same.

 

[Jax]

Heh. Or I can be even happier and continue not to by Sony products and watch with great joy and gladness as others finally realize that they need to now do the same.

Whatever floats your boat, I personally will be happy to carry on buying stuff for my new PS3 alongside my non Sony products like my 360 since they both have there pros and cons.

 

[Owain Taggart]

However, to be fair, the international class-action lawsuit that's already being built around this is going to make the BP settlement look like chump change, especially if any number of people can prove that the stolen information resulted in identity theft and fraud.

Did I read that correctly? You're comparing a console network intrusion to a natural disaster, a natural disaster that has had a tremendous impact on the environment and the people that worked to clean it up?

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Well, you did read correctly, but obviously not all the way when you conspicuously and conveniently decided to omit my qualifying statement:

while clearly not as tragic in loss of life and livelihoods, yes

It was strictly a dollar-figure comparison. Nothing more.

Now who's overreacting? Jeez!

 

[gh4chiefs]

Heh. Or I can be even happier and continue not to by Sony products and watch with great joy and gladness as others finally realize that they need to now do the same.

I'm asking a serious question here. What difference does it make to you WHAT OTHER PEOPLE BUY AND USE? I mean I get that you don't want to use their products and that's great. That's your right. But how does it impact your life if I have a PS3 or a blu-ray player? Or how does it impact your life if I decide to get rid of those things? How does that improve your life?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously trying to understand your pov.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

^^^ Well, you did read correctly, but obviously not all the way when you conspicuously and conveniently decided to omit my qualifying statement:

while clearly not as tragic in loss of life and livelihoods, yes

It was strictly a dollar-figure comparison. Nothing more.

Now who's overreacting? Jeez!

Even if you're looking strictly at dollars, it's ridiculous to compare the Gulf oil disaster to Sony's PS3 problems. BP has set aside $41 billion in liability reserves, and that's just the beginning. Gamers may be angry, but none of them has lost their livelihood that way tens of thousands of people on the Gulf Coast were impacted by BP.

Sony could certainly be looking at court judgments and settlements in the millions or tens of millions related to this - a drop in the bucket compared with the impact of the BP spill.

 

[Aragorn]

I don't get it. What's with the brand name fanboy mentality where people are masturbating to the thought of companies they don't like struggling? Where does this whole self-important "If I don't like something you shouldn't like it either" mentality come from?

 

[Haggis and tatties]

^^^ Read my previous post. They'd better have some serious extra spare change lying around to cover their expenses on the inevitable litigation. This isn't a few thousand boatmen and their families in a local market who can't fish in the water anymore - while clearly not as tragic in loss of life and livelihoods, yes, but this is MILLIONS of pissed-off gamers around the globe (77 million, to be precise). Couple that with a guaranteed mass-migration to other consoles or a renaissance back to traditional PC games. Sony's revenue base will dry up but the lawsuits won't and their shareholders will bail out in droves. Do the math. They're sunk.

Here's a good summation. It has already begun:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110428/bs_nm/us_sony

I doubt very much Sony or the playstation are going to drop of the face of the planet any time soon, yes in some aspects Sony dropped the ball and no doubt will pay the price in one way and another, but i doubt very much its going to cause the company to collapse or people to bin their PS3 by the millions.

And lets not forget now we have the facts this was not some 14 year old script kiddy with a few hacks who got lucky finding Sony had forgot to start up zonealarm...this was a sustained and malicious criminal attack by some very talented individuals, why and who i dont know, but as we now know Sony did have in place security and CC info which was indeed encrypted.....account log in info, personal detail was at the time under some type of other security that we dont really have exact details on....but i have no doubt we will eventually find out just what security measures they had in place, just how secure the whole system was, and what kind of attack it was under and for how long.......so there is still a lot of questions to answer at this stage.

But lets not forget the quintessential devil in these matter(Yes!!i have been waiting years to get that ST4 quote into a post. ).....the hackers, i hope the law and lawyer are just as quick to go after these idiots.

 

[Owain Taggart]

^^^ Well, you did read correctly, but obviously not all the way when you conspicuously and conveniently decided to omit my qualifying statement:

while clearly not as tragic in loss of life and livelihoods, yes

It was strictly a dollar-figure comparison. Nothing more.

Now who's overreacting? Jeez!

Even if you're looking strictly at dollars, it's ridiculous to compare the Gulf oil disaster to Sony's PS3 problems. BP has set aside $41 billion in liability reserves, and that's just the beginning. Gamers may be angry, but none of them has lost their livelihood that way tens of thousands of people on the Gulf Coast were impacted by BP.

Sony could certainly be looking at court judgments and settlements in the millions or tens of millions related to this - a drop in the bucket compared with the impact of the BP spill.

Exactly. I find it a ridiculous comparison. One's about humanity and its struggles with the natural disaster, the other's about a technological problem about a game console that people will overcome from. I just don't even see them on the same level, at all, sorry. Nothing personal.

 

[Servo]

Bye bye Sony! Their consumer electronics suck, their Blu Ray format sucks and now this. Good riddance...

Yeah, whatever mate. Notice how every anti-Sony clown is coming out of the woodwork now. Laughable.

 

[Trekker4747]

There's also the inconvenience factor. I have several accounts that auto-bill to my CC monthly such as Netflix. Once you change card numbers, you have to reset all that. Now for me it's like, 3 things so no big deal. However, if you bill tons of stuff every month to it I can see getting annoyed really quick.

That's really the big part for me. Netflix, here, PayPal, my image host, and god knows what else would have to updated in order reflect any changes that would need to be made to my card. Near as I can tell the security of it isn't a big issue and never bought anything through PSN anyway but at the same time there's still that "better safe than sorry" element itching at me.

 

[Servo]

...And discs and menus that don't load properly and the now-ubiquitous warning about (paraphrasing) "Because Blu-Ray is still an experimental format, some menu features may not function on some players, necessitating a firmware upgrade" or some such bullshit.

In a post I made in the old "Has BluRay Failed?" thread, I mentioned that that disclaimer should really say "Because Blu-Ray is still some half-baked hair-brained idea from Sony, we would advise you simply give this disc to your dog as a chew-toy, because you won't even be able to navigate to the Episode Index from the main menu".

I said it then and I'll say it again, I've had many problems with all kinds of different discs, some working fine, others never being able to even get beyond the initial load, and varying degrees in between. I despise BR and I knew we were in trouble when it was finally "accepted" as the industry standard.

Sony gets what they deserve for their hubris. Period.

Do I ** really ** need to invoke the great Onion Oracle again to prove my point?

I've got 48 Blu-Ray discs, and I haven't had a problem with any of them. I think you're talking shit.

 

[Jax]

^ I know nobody whose had any trouble at all with Blu Ray or the discs. I love the 360 but the PS3 has become its equal due to the fact that developers are finally getting onboard in how make some good games on it + you know Uncharted franchise

 

[Servo]

^ I know nobody whose had any trouble at all with Blu Ray or the discs. I love the 360 but the PS3 has become its equal due to the fact that developers are finally getting onboard in how make some good games on it + you know Uncharted franchise

I can't help but think that if any of that shit he's talking was true, my local entertainment stores wouldn't be selling Blu-Ray movies hand over fist.

And yes, PS3 exclusives are starting to make Microsoft look bad. Uncharted, Killzone, Motorstorm... not to mention the brilliant HD remakes of stuff like God of War, Tomb Raider, Prince of Persia, Wipeout, and soon Resident Evil 4.