Prometheus 2: Apparently it's happening

[Pauln6]

SPOILER

I punched the air when Matt Damon's character popped a stomach staple after some gardening. I may be reading too much into it but I thought it was Ridley Scott acknowledging the stupidity of his earlier work.

If Prometheus had contained a bit (at least superficially) valid science like the Martian, I would have enjoyed it so much more.

 

[JWPlatt]

Wow, what a great thought. It never occurred to me that "I'm going to have to science the shit out of this" could be interpreted as an apology for Prometheus. Fabulous!

 

[Pauln6]

Wow, what a great thought. It never occurred to me that "I'm going to have to science the shit out of this" could be interpreted as an apology for Prometheus. Fabulous!

Lol - yeah that is exactly what I thought! Favourite line of the movie.

 

[publiusr]

Well spoken! My favorite line of the film as well.

 

[Reverend]

Just so we're clear: "science the shit out of this" is a line lifted directly from the book, so any connotation it might have with regards to Ridley's earlier works it just coincidence.

 

[JWPlatt]

Don't confuse our righteous fantasy with the facts.

Scott didn't have to include the line, but he did... Because he felt so badly about what his writers did to the Prometheus script and the characters - obviously.

 

[Yanks]

I'm alittle confused to how a movie about the people who created the xenomorphs and who aparent use ships like the one found in Alien, isn't a prequel to Alien.

s more accurately... it's not a "direct prequel" to Alien.

 

[martok2112]

Regardless of whether it is, or is not a prequel to Alien in intent, I accept it simply events that take place before Alien in the same universe.... a prequel-lite.

Logic and physics go out the window for the purposes of dramatic storytelling. Sometimes characters are going to do stupid things to get the story going where it is supposed to go. It's all about speed and efficiency in telling this particular story, which could've gotten bogged down in a lot of "sciencing the shit out of things." just to please the nitpickers and would-be haters.

Yes, Shaw should've probably popped several staples in a lot of her overexertion after such a surgery, but that would've just introduced more complications and bog-downs for a story that noomied to proceed rapace...er... needed to proceed apace. So, that logic and science got thrown out the window.

Although I certainly would not have minded a three hour Prometheus movie with all the necessary sciencey things to keep the hard sci-fi nerds at bay, I enjoyed it at its brisk two hour and five minute run-time; stupid actions and medical inconsitencies and all.

Besides, you never know.... medical complications could be something addressed for Shaw in the sequel.

 

[JWPlatt]

That's saying you can't do a movie like Prometheus with a believable and intelligent script in the space of two hours. That's rationalizing bullshit. Prometheus had a very troubled script process. Look it up. Some films have a troubled script process but the problems are fixed to make a better film. That did not happen for Prometheus and it shows.

Generalizing the critics who have substantial and rational complaints about the film as "nitpickers and would-be haters" is dismissive and intellectually lazy bullshit. "Haters" in general has become overused and trite, now appearing in pop songs, losing its meaning and the power to describe the truly pathological.

 

[Trekkin]

I'm one of those people that really like what we got, but acknowledge that things could be improved. I can see the issues (nearly everyone outside of David having moments of blazing idiodicy being the big one), but I liked too much of it to be worried. It was ambitious, it managed to be somewhat scary when it needed to be, I was invested in the characters that I was meant to be, and it was beautiful. It was Lovecraft-lite, and that worked for me.

Maybe it does help that I watch it as being pretty much completely separate from 'Alien'. Maybe its predecessor being AVPR made me feel more generous. Bugger if I know.

I wouldn't classify everyone who disliked it as 'haters' or nitpickers - all of us having our 'last straws.' You do see some ...'aggressive' opinions on other sites, but I haven't really seen that here.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Alien 5 is being put on hold for Prometheus 2. I thought this might happen.

Also, if anyone knows where the Alien 5 thread is, please link it to me.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/10/29/neill-blomkamp-alien-film-put-on-hold/

 

[Mr Light]

I'm super excited about both those movies, so that sucks, but I'm more interested in Prometheus 2 because I really want to know about the Engineers.

 

[Saul]

Damn, give me a good Alien sequel over any Prometheus sequel.

 

[JWPlatt]

The order of the two movies has been known for a while now. It's not a recent announcement. Nothing is on hold. Things are proceeding as planned.

 

[Mage]

The order of the two movies has been known for a while now. It's not a recent announcement. Nothing is on hold. Things are proceeding as planned.

No, it's not.... Neil's tweet, quoted: alien is kinda holding/ pending prometheus 2. So I shall be working on other things... as much as I love the xeno- and Lt ripley

That sounds like something changed. Otherwise he wouldn't have phrased it as such.

 

[Nightowl1701]

If the extra time means a more polished script/designs, and presumably launching into production quickly once the green light is given, a 'holding pattern' could be the best thing for Alien5 at this point. Especially with the recent questioning of Neil's filmmaking competence. If he can crank out a quick hit or sleeper in the interim, that'll quiet studio/fan concerns and make the film more likely even if Paradise Lost bombs.

 

[Timby]

Paradise Lost was almost certainly given the Alien title for marketing purposes, and given the budget that the cast and production will require, I will bet money that Blomkamp's film will only happen if the former movie makes a whole bunch of bucks.

Edit: And honestly, I'm not disappointed. I love -- adore, even -- Blomkamp's eye, but after four movies I'm really not interested in fan fiction about Ripley.

 

[JD]

Not surprised really. If both movies are supposed to be consistent with each other, then it makes to do one at a time in order to avoid contadictions. If they aren't confident in how much money Paradise Lost is going make, they might want to make sure it'll do well before investing dozens or $100+ million in Alien 5.

 

[martok2112]

As always, all I want from the new Prometheus and Alien films are to be entertained.
Alien Resurrection didn't quite do that for me.... so it's going to be interesting to see how they're going to make up for that with Alien 5 (and Ripley).

I've been reading the novel trilogy of ALIEN that takes place after the original film... and it's considered an official trilogy. We'll see if they somehow factor into the next movie... but for now, they are decent reads.

ALIEN: Out of the Shadows, ALIEN: River of Pain, and ALIEN: Sea of Sorrows.

 

[JWPlatt]

The order of the two movies has been known for a while now. It's not a recent announcement. Nothing is on hold. Things are proceeding as planned.

No, it's not.... Neil's tweet, quoted: alien is kinda holding/ pending prometheus 2. So I shall be working on other things... as much as I love the xeno- and Lt ripley

That sounds like something changed. Otherwise he wouldn't have phrased it as such.

Scott is producing Blomkamp's Alien 5. They are working together, have a plan, and have had a plan. I'm not sure how much stock I put into the more recent report, even from Blomkamp's tweet, when Scott has made no production comment more recent than delaying Paradise Lost by a month or two. For now, I would chalk it up more to relative task scheduling where things have to be done in a certain order rather than a "hold" and possible scrub.