Production Order Group Viewing 2018

[Pauln6]

I am willing to give Palamis a break. I always thought that she was more susceptible to a feedback loop because of her specialism but it was irritating that the men were all immune. When she spurns Apollo, she is brutal and she's one of the few female crewmen to save the day. It's just frustrating that her seduction wasn't more properly explained as the result of Apollo's power rather than women viewing their education and career as a method of going into space to find a husband in a toga.

 

[Phaser Two]

It's the same exact mockup. They only ever had one and it cost a fortune.

You might be noticing that the mockup was a lot smaller than the interior shuttlecraft set. "To boldly go where Lost in Space has gone before."

Time Lord technology, I always figured.

 

[Mytran]

WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS?

• Another planetside mission! Another threat to the ship in orbit! The big green hand is an original touch, however. Reminiscent of the cube in Corbomite Manoeuvre in terms of its general weirdness
• The whole "gods are aliens" is not an original concept but well presented in this episode, thanks in no small part to the guest star who really sells the character of Apollo.
• In order to get Uhura to volunteer and carry out the idea of rigging subspace bypass circuit, Spock uses the same reverse psychology that Kirk used on him last week (and in COTEOF)
• Scotty charges Apollo and gets knocked over more times than Lazarus fell off the mountain! And Lazarus was someone who enjoyed falling off mountains A LOT…

Is Spock holding a slide rule????

Close, but no cigar That's a "E-6B Flight Computer", most popularly seen in Spock's hands back in The Naked Time last season.

How do these Tricorders work, anyway? Sometimes Spock scans stuff by pointing the screen side towards its target. Sometimes people point the other side outwards. This episode, both Chekov and Scotty point the bottom of the tricorder outwards.
Maybe these devices are stuffed with sensors and gather data from all directions simultaneously?

A rare instance of TOS technobabble from Mr Spock:

Take these equations to the nuclear electronics lab. I want them to work on the problem of negating the force field in selected areas. That might be done by generating a strong pinpoint charge of M-rays on some of these selected wave lengths and tying them in with the combined output of all our engines.

Kirk gets remorseful AFTER he’s engineered the total destruction of Apollo. Again, reminiscent of a Season 1 episode (this time Map Trap and the buffalo).

 

[Pauln6]

WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS?

• Another planetside mission! Another threat to the ship in orbit! The big green hand is an original touch, however. Reminiscent of the cube in Corbomite Manoeuvre in terms of its general weirdness
• The whole "gods are aliens" is not an original concept but well presented in this episode, thanks in no small part to the guest star who really sells the character of Apollo.
• In order to get Uhura to volunteer and carry out the idea of rigging subspace bypass circuit, Spock uses the same reverse psychology that Kirk used on him last week (and in COTEOF)
• Scotty charges Apollo and gets knocked over more times than Lazarus fell off the mountain! And Lazarus was someone who enjoyed falling off mountains A LOT…

Close, but no cigar That's a "E-6B Flight Computer", most popularly seen in Spock's hands back in The Naked Time last season.

How do these Tricorders work, anyway? Sometimes Spock scans stuff by pointing the screen side towards its target. Sometimes people point the other side outwards. This episode, both Chekov and Scotty point the bottom of the tricorder outwards.
Maybe these devices are stuffed with sensors and gather data from all directions simultaneously?

A rare instance of TOS technobabble from Mr Spock:


Kirk gets remorseful AFTER he’s engineered the total destruction of Apollo. Again, reminiscent of a Season 1 episode (this time Map Trap and the buffalo).

What the hell are nuclear electronics?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

What the hell are nuclear electronics?

Maybe it's a 23rd name for something fancy, like quantum electrodynamics. Or maybe there's a lab on board with eight disciplines going on, and everybody calls it by those two for short.

 

[Poltargyst]

I wouldn’t say Star Trek is in “atheist“ series as much as it is a “humanist” series at this point. There are a scant few references to God and Christ peppered throughout the series, but they are there.

And all of that analysis and not one mention of Fred Steiner’s superb muscular score? Sure, some of it is a reworking of his earlier scores, but there’s so much powerful goodness that really makes this episode work. They “welcome to Olympus” moment kills because of the music, effects and performance.

Love this episode, even with Scotty’s over the top puppy love.

I don't usually talk about the music. I'll leave that in your capable hands. But yes, the trumpets blaring as Apollo grows to giant size for the first time really sells the moment.

 

[Poltargyst]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonaïs

Okay. What does it have to do with the episode?

 

[johnnybear]

Getting back to Metamorphosis for a moment, I lthought it was very funny how they explained away Cochrane's appearance here as to his look in ST:First Contact! Poor old James Cromwell, who looked nothing like Glenn Corbett, the original Zephram Cochrane, must have been suffering from radiation sickness due to his emaciated features that or in all happened in an alternate reality because McCoy seems to recognize Cochrane from somewhere and later we discover it must have been in a history book or holovid!!!
JB

 

[johnnybear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonaïs

Same here, mb! It was only in the nineties I realised it wasn't Adonis!
JB

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Women hold careers in Starfleet, but it is expected that they will get married and leave Starfleet.

It may be more "this is what has been happening lately" (trend) than "this is what society thinks ought to happen" (social expectation).

 

[Mytran]

Or it might just be limited to this one officer; she may have stated (while down in the rec room one day) that her priorities are in having a family, which certainly can't be done aboard 23rd century starships

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Perhaps. Ideally, career-minded folks will extend the same courtesy and understanding to would-be space homemakers/homesteaders that they receive. To each their own...

 

[Phaser Two]

Okay. What does it have to do with the episode?

The title comes from Shelley's elegy for Keats, which was written in classical style with literary/mythological figures. One of the themes is that Adonais (Keats) is really not dead, because he will be remembered. Accordingly, who mourns him? They need not. That plays directly into the theme of the episode. It's one of TOS' most inspired titles IMHO.

 

[Poltargyst]

The title comes from Shelley's elegy for Keats, which was written in classical style with literary/mythological figures. One of the themes is that Adonais (Keats) is really not dead, because he will be remembered. Accordingly, who mourns him? They need not. That plays directly into the theme of the episode. It's one of TOS' most inspired titles IMHO.

*Single eyebrow raise* Fascinating.

Although...who is it who's not really dead as long as we remember him? Apollo?

Reminds me of the line at the end of WoK. "He's not really dead as long as we remember him."

 

[Marsden]

The title comes from Shelley's elegy for Keats, which was written in classical style with literary/mythological figures. One of the themes is that Adonais (Keats) is really not dead, because he will be remembered. Accordingly, who mourns him? They need not. That plays directly into the theme of the episode. It's one of TOS' most inspired titles IMHO.

Thanks! I thought it was Adonis, too, until I saw an interview by Leonard Nimoy where he made sure he pronounced it Adonaaas.

 

[Poltargyst]

Amok Time

Good one!

"You never give up hope." I'm not sure how to take the fact that McCoy is aware that Christine keeps trying to get Spock's attention but hasn't been successful.

Spock's not a fan of Christine's Plomeek soup recipe?

"In all the years that I've known you..." How long have Kirk and Spock known each other at this point?

Is Spock holding a knife behind his back while talking to Kirk? A stylus? Later Kirk grabs his hand while he's holding it. What's the significance?

How do navigators do their jobs? Kirk orders Chekov to set course for Vulcan. How does Chekov know or look up the coordinates for that?

Aldebaran shellmouth, huh? I wonder how they go with wine.

Nimoy does such a good job of acting embarrassed. He does a good job later of being in the blood trance. Great acting this episode.

"I hoped I'd be spared this." So this is Spock's first Pon Farr? How old is Spock, mid 30's? I would have guessed the first Pon Farr would hit at puberty. I don't recall hearing anything either about how it hits every 7 years. Did I miss that? Just going by this episode it seems that it only happens once in a male Vulcan's life in their 30's when they are supposed to take a wife or die trying.

Well, thanks for nothing, Admiral Dick. I know, he doesn't know the whole story.

Really get a sense of the deep friendship between the Big Three this episode. Quite an honor and show of trust for Spock to ask Kirk and McCoy to accompany him to the ritual.

Would it help if Spock and Christine had a quickie in his quarters? No?

Mmmm, T'Pring is a hottie.

Spock: "She is my wife." Christine: D'OH!

I like the remastered Vulcan scenes.

We're on Vulcan! This is awesome!

I'm surprised Spock doesn't have to change into some ritual clothing.

That is a really wild explanation. Young Vulcans in arranged marriages at the age of 7 do a mild meld in which their minds are synced so that at the right time both parties are drawn to the ritual. Amazing.

Are all Vulcan marriages arranged?

It's T'Pau! She sang Heart and Soul in 1987! (She's really old.)

I love the scene where T'Pring blocks Spock from striking the gong. It's on!

Stonn's ears are funny. What does she see in him anyway?

What a tough position Kirk is in. What would you do?

Stonn, don't piss off the guy with the big axe.

I don't usually comment on the music, but it is really cool once we get to Vulcan.

T'Pau: "This combat is to the death." Kirk: D'OH!

Wonder how T'Pau knew to stop the lirpa round. Two minute rounds?

Lucky McCoy brought his medical pack and that it happened to have the right drug in it. I'm surprised T'Pau allowed McCoy to use it. I wonder if she suspected what he was up to.

None of the Vulcans want to check Kirk for themselves? They are too trusting and not used to human trickery.

"Instruct Chekov to set a course for the nearest Starbase..." Don't you still have to go to Altair?

Spock: "T'Pring, explain, you little vixen."

Spock: "You might find that having a thing is not so good as wanting it." Translation: you two deserve each other, suckers.

One heck of a risk McCoy took that Kirk didn't really get killed when the drug kicked in.

Hmmm, so the madness would normally still remain after the combat, but Spock was done with T'Pring at that point and the madness passed. So this was a special case. So normally the madness remains until the...uh...consummation has taken place?

So this episodes presents Pon Farr as something only happening to males. I know that later series present females as going through Pon Farr, but I'm sure that the real world reason for that is that nothing gets ratings like horny females. So how does it work when it's a female going through Pon Farr? Does their male mate have to decide if he wants her or not? Does he prevent her from ringing the gong? Does she fight a rival female?

Fun ending. "In a pig's eye." Haha.

I really like this episode, and we get great info about Spock and Vulcans in general.

Alien Watch! I'm going to add Vulcans just because we haven't see full-blooded ones before.
Season 1
Talosians
That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
Ron Howard's brother
That dog from Enemy Within
Salt monster
That hand plant...Gertrude
Spock (duh)
Charlie's parents (Thasians)*
Romulans!
(Ruk)
Miri's planet kids (bonk bonk)
Giant ape creatures of Taurus II
Shore Leave Caretaker guy
Trelaine and his folks*
Gorn
Metrons*
The Lazerii
The remarkably human-looking aliens of Beta 3. (RotA)
The remarkably human-looking aliens of Emineminar VII (AToA)
The Triffids of Omicron Ceti III (TSoP)
The refreshingly non-human-looking Horta
Organians*
Klingons! (Remarkably human looking).
(The Guardian of Forever)
Flying pancakes

Season 2
Sylvia and Korob
The Companion
The remarkably human looking (though tall) Cappellans.
Native Pollux IV-ians (Apollo and his gang)
Full-blooded Vulcans

*Alien Watch sublist: omnipotent aliens!

 

[Lakenheath 72]

According to wikipedia,

"Nuclear electronics is a subfield of electronics concerned with the design and use of high-speed electronic systems for nuclear physics and elementary particle physics research, and for industrial and medical use."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electronics

 

[Commishsleer]

I think my favourite scene in entire Trek is in "Amok Time" when Kirk goes to the bridge after Spock has changed the course without his authority along with the music and lighting.
It makes you realise how Shatner owns the role of Kirk.

 

[Phaser Two]

*Single eyebrow raise* Fascinating.

Although...who is it who's not really dead as long as we remember him? Apollo?

Reminds me of the line at the end of WoK. "He's not really dead as long as we remember him."

I thought of that too.
I think it's Apollo, yeah. The episode makes the point that mankind evolved beyond the need for the Olympians, and yet they remain embedded in the human consciousness and spirit. Accordingly, there's no need to mourn him, or worship him as he wishes initially.

 

[Pauln6]

According to wikipedia,

"Nuclear electronics is a subfield of electronics concerned with the design and use of high-speed electronic systems for nuclear physics and elementary particle physics research, and for industrial and medical use."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electronics

So does this mean Impulse engines are nuclear? Or just that they need the equipment for other research?

Is anybody keeping track of the Enterpise's labs?