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Production Order Group Viewing 2018

Heh. "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer." Is there a list somewhere of all the things McCoy is not?

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it underscores the casually blatant sexism of TOS without even trying
More like the paradigms of the era in which the show was made. Any entertainment set in "the future" demonstrates that it's a product of its time eventually.
 
What I did notice about one particular security officer was his incredible rise through the ranks of Starfleet.

Giotto -- aka Wesley -- went from a red shirt security guy ...

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… to a gold-yellow shirt commodore in the span of just one season

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Heeeeeeeeyyyyyyy, I was going to make that joke when we got to Ultimate Computer.
 
Devil In The Dark might be the most quintessential “Star Trek” episode yet produced – an alien creature, seen at first as a threat, becomes close ally once we take the time to communicate and understand.

So many good character moments but here are my favourites:
  • Spock is against killing the mass murdering silicon creature as it may be the last of it’s kind, and Kirk later comes to agree with him. How far they’ve both come since The Man Trap!
  • Scotty is a good engineer but not so proud as to deny his limitations. He constantly berates himself and his efforts when trying to rig a replacement for the reactor pump.
Remember in earlier episodes this season, when the lasers from The Cage would serve as civilian weaponry? Well, these miners have access to Phaser 1 and later on Vanderberg is sporting a Phaser 2! Are military grade weapons really this freely available?
We also get explicit mentions of Phaser 1 and Phaser 2, along with confirmation that the latter is much more powerful.

The HD version really highlights just how flat those cave floors are, especially compared to the rough and rugged walls :whistle:

Spock’s tricorder can scan through solid rock for up to 100 miles! Impressive

Another opening teaser that doesn’t feature the Enterprise. These guys are just getting on with their daily lives, trying to make their way in the Federation…

Spock uses the mind meld again. This is the second time in the series and only the third time for any mind powers at all. Let's see if similiar restraint is used in the following seasons...

As Kirk and Spock were exploring alone (later in the episode) my 6 year old son deduced that the round things were eggs, a testament to the iconography used in the production design. This episode captivated him more than others this season, a testament to the excellent concept and creature design.

I think Lt. Giotto was Bob Wesley's first cousin or they incredibly, impossibly, just looked alike! ;)
JB
This used to happen in classic Doctor Who all the time :lol:
 
More like the paradigms of the era in which the show was made. Any entertainment set in "the future" demonstrates that it's a product of its time eventually.

True but not the whole picture. I recall someone telling me the studio rapped them on the knuckles and told them to put some women in next time. The writers could have been less sexist even by the standards of the day. Harlan Ellison's version of Rand rocked and there was no studio objection to having strong women like Number One.

I saw a great parody of seventies Sci fi, I think it was called Space Station 76, which shone a light on modern day American values by setting the story on a space station in the future but styled as if had been made in the seventies. It was retro and avant garde at the same time!
 
All the same, one likely wouldn't have been expecting to see woman miners working underground in the 1960s. Even less likely in a Western, which is the TV genre that Trek was most closely emulating.
 
Space Seed

Arguably the best Star Trek TOS episode of all time. It launched the most imitated Star Trek movie - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Star Trek VI was conceived as a direct follow up to ST:II. The nebula battle in Star Trek: Nemesis was created to intentionally evoke the Mutara Nebula battle in ST:II. Star Trek: Into Darkness completely reworks and meshes Space Seed and ST:II.

In this episode they again pin the events of TOS about 200 years into the future from the 90s. This puts the events roughly in 2196 to early 2200s. Edging closer to that 23rd Century mark, but not quite yet.

Can Khan be held for war crimes? Is there such a precedent for holding someone for war crimes 2 centuries after the victims are dead? Did Khan do anything that merits war crime charges? There were no massacres under his rule and he only fought wars in self defense. It appears his seizure of power was not through aggression.

In my head canon Joaquin is Joachim from TWOK. Some feel Joachim was Khan's son, which might have been the intent.

I've always taken that Kirk had the authority to strand Khan and his crew on Ceti Alpha V in the same way British captains stranded cirminals on desert islands in the 17th and 18th Century. Or maybe that's just stuff of fiction.





This Side of Paradise

I've always liked this episode. A nother location shoot that made very good use of the standing outdoor sets of the time. I could really see this as a starter colony in the future Star Trek is painting.

This is another episode with the very clear message that paradise and peaceful way of life is against natural human development. Man isn't meant to live in paradise. In fact, such bucolic conditions can only come about through alien influence, virus, spores, mind control, etc...

SPOCK FINDS LOVE! THEN LOSES IT!

Finally our first entry for Spock on the love meter. Interesting that Spock and Leila had a long-term relationship in the past and they never got around to first names. Did she call him Mr. Spock the whole time they were together?

Can Omicron Ceti III be turned into a medical facility? The spores, if controlled, could be used for health benefits and treatments. Like the Briar Patch and the rings surrounding the Baku world in ST:INS. Bring people here, get them treated, return them home.

Finally some movement on the Love Meter:

Kirk Love Meter
Little Blonde Lab Technician
Jancie Rand
Evie
Andrea
Helen Noel
Miri (In the line of duty)
Lenore Karidian (In the line of duty)
Lieutenant Helen Johansson
Areel Shaw
Ruth
Enterprise computer Cygnet XIV upgrade. Kirk loves the Enterprise and the Enterprise loves Kirk!

McCoy Love Meter
Nancy Crater
Yeoman Tonia Barrows

Spock Love Meter
Leila Kalomi
 
Did she call him Mr. Spock the whole time they were together?

People call each other by last names all the time nowadays, even if they do know their first name. It suits them better, or nobody else calls them that, or the person in question likes the way their friend/love says their name.
 
I've always taken that Kirk had the authority to strand Khan and his crew on Ceti Alpha V in the same way British captains stranded cirminals on desert islands in the 17th and 18th Century. Or maybe that's just stuff of fiction.

It may have happened, but it would be extra-legal. Marooning was almost exclusively a tactic used by pirates to control their crews. In 1807 the captain of HM Sloop Recruit had a sailor guilty of theft stranded on an uninhabited Caribbean island. The sailor was picked up by a merchant ship, and when the Admiralty found out the captain was court-martialled and dismissed from the service.

But even if it was the case historically, I would hope that concepts of justice and punishment would have progressed somewhat since 1700 or 1800.
 
Maybe Khan named his first born son after the guy who liked hitting Uhura?
Plus, Mytran, the BBC always used to screen Devil in The Dark before Dagger of The Mind which technically screws with the Vulcan mind meld continuity or does it?
JB
 
It may have happened, but it would be extra-legal. Marooning was almost exclusively a tactic used by pirates to control their crews. In 1807 the captain of HM Sloop Recruit had a sailor guilty of theft stranded on an uninhabited Caribbean island. The sailor was picked up by a merchant ship, and when the Admiralty found out the captain was court-martialled and dismissed from the service.

But even if it was the case historically, I would hope that concepts of justice and punishment would have progressed somewhat since 1700 or 1800.
Kirk didn't maroon Khan and friends, he offered them a choice. They chose exile, on the proviso that Kirk drop all charges.

Plus, Mytran, the BBC always used to screen Devil in The Dark before Dagger of The Mind which technically screws with the Vulcan mind meld continuity or does it?
JB
I didn't know that, was it in the 1980s run? In the 1990s (which was when I recorded the episodes) I'm pretty sure it was in classic broadcast order
 
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Kirk didn't maroon Khan and friends, he offered them a choice. They chose exile, on the proviso that Kirk drop all charges.

Marooning was brought up as a historical practice. The way the situation was resolved at the end of "Space Seed" is something about which, as I have said before, I find it very hard to suspend disbelief.
 
Marooning was indeed a historical practise, but I must disagree with @Shawnster and say that that's most certainly not what happened at the end of Space Seed:
KIRK: This hearing is now in session. Under the authority vested in me by Starfleet Command, I declare all charges and specifications in this matter have been dropped.
MCCOY: Jim. Agreed you have the authority
KIRK: Mister Spock, our heading takes us near the Ceti Alpha star system.
SPOCK: Quite correct, Captain. Planet number five there is habitable, although a bit savage, somewhat inhospitable.
KIRK: But no more than Australia's Botany Bay colony was at the beginning. Those men went on to tame a continent, Mister Khan. Can you tame a world?
Kirk drops the charges before he even says a word to Khan. He then makes his (former) prisoner an offer, an offer which Khan (since the charges are dropped) is under no obligation to accept. But the two men understand each other's character and the episode ends with a newly grown respect between them. In fact, it is a solution that works to both of their advantages since Khan knows he could never prosper in Federation society and we saw from Kirk's own log how conflicted he was to send Khan to space-jail:
Captain's Log. Stardate 3143.3. Control of the Enterprise has been regained. I wish my next decisions were no more difficult. Khan and his people. What a waste to put them in a reorientation centre. And what do I do about McGivers?

If anything it is McGivers who gets the shortest shrift, since apparently her charges were not dropped and she would still face a court-martial if she doesn't accompany her abuser onto a desolate planet!
 
Space Seed

Arguably the best Star Trek TOS episode of all time. It launched the most imitated Star Trek movie - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Star Trek VI was conceived as a direct follow up to ST:II. The nebula battle in Star Trek: Nemesis was created to intentionally evoke the Mutara Nebula battle in ST:II. Star Trek: Into Darkness completely reworks and meshes Space Seed and ST:II.

In this episode they again pin the events of TOS about 200 years into the future from the 90s. This puts the events roughly in 2196 to early 2200s. Edging closer to that 23rd Century mark, but not quite yet.

Can Khan be held for war crimes? Is there such a precedent for holding someone for war crimes 2 centuries after the victims are dead? Did Khan do anything that merits war crime charges? There were no massacres under his rule and he only fought wars in self defense. It appears his seizure of power was not through aggression.

In my head canon Joaquin is Joachim from TWOK. Some feel Joachim was Khan's son, which might have been the intent.

I've always taken that Kirk had the authority to strand Khan and his crew on Ceti Alpha V in the same way British captains stranded cirminals on desert islands in the 17th and 18th Century. Or maybe that's just stuff of fiction.





This Side of Paradise

I've always liked this episode. A nother location shoot that made very good use of the standing outdoor sets of the time. I could really see this as a starter colony in the future Star Trek is painting.

This is another episode with the very clear message that paradise and peaceful way of life is against natural human development. Man isn't meant to live in paradise. In fact, such bucolic conditions can only come about through alien influence, virus, spores, mind control, etc...

SPOCK FINDS LOVE! THEN LOSES IT!

Finally our first entry for Spock on the love meter. Interesting that Spock and Leila had a long-term relationship in the past and they never got around to first names. Did she call him Mr. Spock the whole time they were together?

Can Omicron Ceti III be turned into a medical facility? The spores, if controlled, could be used for health benefits and treatments. Like the Briar Patch and the rings surrounding the Baku world in ST:INS. Bring people here, get them treated, return them home.

Finally some movement on the Love Meter:

Kirk Love Meter
Little Blonde Lab Technician
Jancie Rand
Evie
Andrea
Helen Noel
Miri (In the line of duty)
Lenore Karidian (In the line of duty)
Lieutenant Helen Johansson
Areel Shaw
Ruth
Enterprise computer Cygnet XIV upgrade. Kirk loves the Enterprise and the Enterprise loves Kirk!

McCoy Love Meter
Nancy Crater
Yeoman Tonia Barrows

Spock Love Meter
Leila Kalomi
Chapel in the Naked Time doesn't count ?
 
It may have happened, but it would be extra-legal. Marooning was almost exclusively a tactic used by pirates to control their crews. In 1807 the captain of HM Sloop Recruit had a sailor guilty of theft stranded on an uninhabited Caribbean island. The sailor was picked up by a merchant ship, and when the Admiralty found out the captain was court-martialled and dismissed from the service.

But even if it was the case historically, I would hope that concepts of justice and punishment would have progressed somewhat since 1700 or 1800.
That's interesting. O'Brian had Aubrey either contemplating marooning recalcitrant seaman (and sometimes passengers) or actually doing it quite a lot. As an author, O'Brian was assiduous in respecting history and tradition. Except, of course, when it failed to suit the needs of the service. I mean the story.
 
I love WoK, my favorite Star Trek movie ever. And yet...

I'm a little sorry they chose to go that route with Khan's story. It could have been fun for the Enterprise to return to Ceti Alpha V after some years to see how Khan and his people were progressing, see their fledgling civilization. Maybe there's some threat to the community going on, and Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise team up with Khan and his people to deal with it. That could have been a very interesting and fun story.
 
Marooning was indeed a historical practise, but I must disagree with @Shawnster and say that that's most certainly not what happened at the end of Space Seed:

Yeah. I've said this recently so sorry to be repetitive, but I find it absurd that a material witness in a case would be in a position to dismiss charges, or have anything at all to do with the prosecution and/or disposal of that case. That wouldn't fly in any credible justice system today, that part of the story is just not believable to me.

That's interesting. O'Brian had Aubrey either contemplating marooning recalcitrant seaman (and sometimes passengers) or actually doing it quite a lot. As an author, O'Brian was assiduous in respecting history and tradition. Except, of course, when it failed to suit the needs of the service. I mean the story.

I don't remember the details but it seemed like Jack used it as a threat on someone but wouldn't really have carried it out. At any rate it was not a legal punishment.
 
Yeah. I've said this recently so sorry to be repetitive, but I find it absurd that a material witness in a case would be in a position to dismiss charges, or have anything at all to do with the prosecution and/or disposal of that case. That wouldn't fly in any credible justice system today, that part of the story is just not believable to me.



I don't remember the details but it seemed like Jack used it as a threat on someone but wouldn't really have carried it out. At any rate it was not a legal punishment.
I think you’re right; I find that he did something like this only once. In Master and Commander he landed prisoners taken from an American prize off Majorca. Stephen was understandably concerned:
‘But is not that wrong? Will you not be reproved – courtmartialled?’

Jack winced, and clapping his hand to wood he said, ‘Pray never say that ill-conditioned word. The mere sound of it is enough to spoil the day.’

‘But will you not get into trouble?’

Not if I put into Mahon with a thundering great prize at my tail,’ said Jack, laughing.
Now if only Kirk can find a prize of his home after leaving Ceti Alpha V. Or VI.
 
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