Right - - or Spock's, either regularly assigned or delegated to him for this mission. Yeoman Tamura in TOA also seems to be more Spock's assistant than Kirk's from their interactions.
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Right - - or Spock's, either regularly assigned or delegated to him for this mission. Yeoman Tamura in TOA also seems to be more Spock's assistant than Kirk's from their interactions.
Whether Spock was right or wrong wasn't really the issue - and frankly I don't think it was clear whether it would have been better to give the natives a bloody nose or Spock's more gentle approach. Spock is the mission commander. They're all in the military and have to follow orders. As Kirk says its not a democracy.
The episode shows what happens when Kirk's not there to keep McCoy and Spock in check. I suppose McCoy is suddenly happy to have people agree with him about Spock and instead of supporting his commanding officer (which he should regardless of any personal opinions) instead he actively encourages the dissent. Maybe its a fault of Kirk that he accepts McCoys insubordination all the time towards himself as well as Spock and that Spock is perhaps powerless to discipline McCoy.
What about the Prime Directive here. The Galileo invaded these creatures planet. Do the crew have a right to give these natives a bloody nose anyway - to kill sentient beings even in self-defense if they could possibly avoid it.
\Another thing is they said they could never return to the planet as the whole planet was full of these creatures. How could that be? An entire planet absolutely chock-a-block of natives like Gideon?
This is the obvious conclusion.
I think space normal must be impulse.. I'm sure Kirk was employing some passive-aggressiveness toward the Commissioner while giving every last opportunity to find his crewmen. Okay. Fine. I've been ordered to leave. So we're leaving...at the slowest possible speed.
I'm thinking in terms of just their time on the planet. Spock might have been wrong about this and Boma and the others right. If they set their phasers to kill and mow down a number of the ape guys, maybe the ape guys don't bother them any more.
Or, maybe they don't have enough phaser charges left to power the shuttle off of the planet.
So you trespass on a planet and the natives attack and your first reaction is to kill them.
What would have McCoy said if Spock said lets clear the area within one km of the shuttle. Lets just mow them all down because we are the superior beings and more important.Lets mow down family groups, women and children, warriors anyone who may be too close to us. Wasn't that what Boma and the others were suggesting
Yeah one thing that distinguished Trek from other Sci fi franchises is that might does not necessarily make right. It would have been cool if someone, Scotty or Mears, had pointed out that draining the phasers with more powerful blasts would have reduced their chances of taking off further, but that isn't why Spock was right. He was being a responsible officer. There are risks in any course of action. A more powerful attack could have led to a more vicious counter attack.
I could see them being attached to the records department, with rotating assignments based on their specialty (science, operations, command)
What is this Prime Directive you speak of? I don't believe we've seen that (yet).
On the other hand... That is one application of the PD. Our crews over the various shows have not been consistent in application. Perhaps that is a matter of interpretation? Not to mention that the TNG Prime Directive is a bit different than TOS. In Bread and Circuses the PD was defined as "No identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet. " Does killing a few primitive inhabitants really interfere with the social development of Taurus II? Butterfly effect much? Do we see other occasions where our heroes actually kill natives without concern about some Prime Directive or whatever?
While I'm out of first time viewer mode... Fun fact - Murasaki 312 makes a return appearance in TNG
In 2368, the location of Murasaki 312 was labeled on a tachyon detection grid on one of the viewscreens of the USS Enterprise-D bridge. (TNG: "Redemption II", okudagram remastered)
In 2366, in an alternate timeline, during the Federation-Klingon War, the location of Murasaki 312 was labeled on a tactical situation monitor in the ready room aboard the Enterprise-D. (TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise", okudagram)
In 2328, this was the destination for passengers traveling from Midos V Satellite City Spaceport via commercial transport. Suzi Shimizu traveled on the SS Manoa, John Van Citters on the SS Kogin, and Dennis McCarthy, Joe Bauer, and David Anderson on the SS Wisconsin. (TNG-R: "Inheritance", okudagram)
In 2367, around stardate 44390,1, the USS Enterprise-D conducted a long-range sensor scan of the Murasaki Quasar. (TNG: "Data's Day")
Now back to character...
How fast is Warp? Is Warp 1 fast enough to get to New Paris in time? Have we heard on screen how fast some of these speeds are? Warp? Impulse?
Speaking of impulse. Noticed this from "Enemy Within:"
KIRK: What is it?
SCOTT: We've found a way to get the transporter working, sir.
SPOCK: We've attached some bypass and leader circuits to compensate for the difference. Tied directly into the impulse engines, there shouldn't be more than a five point variation in the velocity balance. I suggest we send the animal through. Captain.
KIRK: Yes, yes. Go ahead.
So, is the transporter tied to speed somehow? Tied directly into the impulse engines the transporter should not have more than a five point variation in the velocity balance. Is that the velocity of the transporter? Is it the balance between the velocity of the Enterprise and the planetary rotation?
I'd always just assumed that the Impulse Engines were being used as an auxiliary power source, but using them as a micro-control system for the velocity difference between the ship and the planet (which has to be a crucial factor when beaming) makes a lot more sense!
Trek talk in TOS was always sparse, so it's great to be able to extract some meaning from it
Trek talk in TOS was always sparse, so it's great to be able to extract some meaning from it
There seemed to be a philosophy change between TOS and TNG. I read an interview, maybe TMoST where Roddenberry was quoted as saying "show us, don't tell us. Matt Dillon doesn't explain how his revolver works, he just picks it up and uses it.
For the most part, TOS did this. Then TNG vane along and choked us with technobabble.
I'm analyzing the difference in Spock's attitude between BoT and TGS.
BoT: The Romulans. A very aggressive species. Killed many of our people unprovoked. Left unchecked, they will kill many more. Should we hunt them down and kill them? Spock votes yes.
TGS: The natives of Taurus II. A very aggressive species. Began killing our people unprovoked. Left unchecked, they will kill us all. Should we hunt some down and kill them? Spock votes no.
Maybe because the Romulans are a greater threat to the Federation at large? Because the Romulans are more technologically advanced? Because the Romulans are smarter? Because the Romulans were soldiers? Although the Taurean warriors were kind of soldiers too. What's the difference in your mind?
It's not the same thing, because the Taurus II giants are territorial primitives who don't know the score, while the Romulans are a space-faring race who are coming for us as part of a war strategy.
The Romulans were invading Federation territory just as the Galileo invaded Taurean territory.
The Enterprise & Federation "invaded" Gorn. First Federation and Tholian territory maybe.
The Taureans attacked first like the Romulans did but while it was obvious what the Romulans' intentions were it was not so obvious the Taureans. Perhaps they were worried about protecting their territory, perhaps they didn't like the colour of the TOS uniforms, maybe they were looking for dinner.
From what they were discussing in BOT the Romulans' action were a prelude to a war situation. After they destroyed the stations there was no negotiation with them. They intended to start a war That Yes they were a threat to the Federation at large, with their resources, history and actions.
While the Galileo accidentally invaded the Taurean territory that doesn't mean they should sit around and wait to be killed but not that its OK to go out and kill the natives without trying less lethal solutions.
Who knows whether the bloody nose solution would have worked? It may have. I don't think Spock sending out people one at a time with no phaser was a great solution either. With hindsight they probably should have laid low and hid in the shuttle.
Spock's response to natives whose motivations, abilities, and next steps we can only speculate on is different from his response to Romulans in the same way that a police department would send a tactical squad, hostage negotiator, etc, to handle an unknown situation with the goal of preserving life if and when possible rather than simply eliminating the threat.
The two situations are nothing alike.
I wish this episode had a little less of a racist undertone. It's entertaining but ultimately unsatisfying.
I wish this episode had a little less of a racist undertone. It's entertaining but ultimately unsatisfying.
US police officers maybe. In the UK our police try to resolve situations with minimal death.
Pauln6, where did the figures in your avatar come from? The Rand in particular is great.
They are the QMX 1/6 scale figures. I had two custom Rand heads made by Warrior's Gate Productions and painted by Mark Simpson - one for TOS and one with her TMP hair. Just plopped her on a Xing suntan body with a placeholder uniform and commandeered some of the Spock figure's accessories. I'm really pleased how she turned out. It's great to have the season one main cast. Scotty is out next , the Sulu next year, hopefully with Uhura and Chekov. My ultimate goal is to commission custom heads for Chapel , Decker , and Ilia with custom TMP style uniforms for a fantasy Phase II era line up.
Nice! Can you message me a link to how to contact these customizers? I've been looking forward to the Scotty as well. Your figs look great.
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