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Prime Directive, poorly written?

With regards to the Genesis Device,

the Federation seemed to view it as a way to turn lifeless worlds into worlds capable of supporting life.

The Klingons viewed it as a weapon.

Sure I'm not dening that it could be used as a weapon, but it wasn't designed with that purpose in mind.

In "A Taste of Armangeddon" if memory serves, Kirk wanted to respect the wishes but was over ruled by the his civilian superiors.

"In way to Eden" hadn't the Enterprise been hijacked in order to reach Eden?
 
Space is big, and complex. There's probably no end to moral, political and philosophical wrangling that must take place. The Prime Directive is probably a stone tablet in the lobby of Starfleet headquarters with a picture of the British flag with the caption: "Don't fuck up other planets the way these guys fucked up other countries."

I'm sure citizens of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and, quite possibly, several others, deeply appreciate your in-depth analysis of their condition.

Really, you don't think the Canadian First Nations, Australian Aborigines, and Māori would agree that the British fucked things up for them?

ETA:

Whatever you may think of the European communities Britain transplanted into the lands it stole from their native inhabitants, let's get one thing straight:

The Federation, unlike the British Empire, is not in the business of conquering foreign lands, or importing its people into lands it has taken from their native inhabitants. The Federation, unlike Britain, is not an empire. That is the virtue of the Prime Directive.

Late coming back to this. Interesting comments by others, but the above seems to be an element of 'Because You Said This, You Must Also Be In Favour Of...'. Not the case - I think the general concept of the Prime Directive is admirable but, like any other law or principle it cannot be an absolute - there will always be exceptions or special circumstances.

Check the history of any Human tribe / nation / culture (including most of the ones you cite) or empire. Any human grouping that lasted long enough to have its own history certainly did so over the dead bodies of others - other groups supplanted or driven away or forcibly assimilated or wiped out, dissidents suppressed, and so on.

No one, not even the Chinese themselves, are certain just how many cultures were literally wiped from history by Emperor Chin in the process of founding China. The (in no particular order) Chinese, Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Mayans, Aztecs, British, Russians, Germans, Ottomans, Danes, Polynesians, Mongols, Hindus, Hebrews and many many others have all had their moments in this regard.

Make no mistake, a lot of these groupings had admirable qualities as well, and that should also be recognized.

We might be appalled by a lot of what they did, but in the context of their times, that was how one did business. A lot of them had slavery and/or overly rigid social orders and/or were less than nice about the rights of women or minorities - again, that was how things were done, and we (should) know better now. Doesn't make such things "right" by any means, but to condemn these peoples out-of-hand by our allegedly evolved 21st century sensibilities is narrow minded. Likewise, singling out one empire to blame for all that is wrong in the world.

Judge not, lest you be judged, as they say. I am sure that some self-righteous individuals in the distant future will find amazing things to condemn "us" for - probably including a lot of stuff we wouldn't have even thought of.
 
Space is big, and complex. There's probably no end to moral, political and philosophical wrangling that must take place. The Prime Directive is probably a stone tablet in the lobby of Starfleet headquarters with a picture of the British flag with the caption: "Don't fuck up other planets the way these guys fucked up other countries."

I'm sure citizens of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and, quite possibly, several others, deeply appreciate your in-depth analysis of their condition.

Really, you don't think the Canadian First Nations, Australian Aborigines, and Māori would agree that the British fucked things up for them?

ETA:

Whatever you may think of the European communities Britain transplanted into the lands it stole from their native inhabitants, let's get one thing straight:

The Federation, unlike the British Empire, is not in the business of conquering foreign lands, or importing its people into lands it has taken from their native inhabitants. The Federation, unlike Britain, is not an empire. That is the virtue of the Prime Directive.

Late coming back to this. Interesting comments by others, but the above seems to be an element of 'Because You Said This, You Must Also Be In Favour Of...'. Not the case.

Check the history of any Human tribe / nation / culture (including most of the ones you cite) or empire. Any human grouping that lasted long enough to have its own history certainly did so over the dead bodies of others - other groups supplanted or driven away or forcibly assimilated or wiped out, dissidents suppressed, and so on.

No one, not even the Chinese themselves, are certain just how many cultures were literally wiped from history by Emperor Chin in the process of founding China. The (in no particular order) Chinese, Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Mayans, Aztecs, British, Russians, Germans, Ottomans, Danes, Polynesians, Mongols, Hindus, Hebrews and many many others have all had their moments in this regard.

Make no mistake, a lot of these groupings had admirable qualities as well, and that should also be recognized.

We might be appalled by a lot of what they did, but in the context of their times, that was how one did business. A lot of them had slavery and/or overly rigid social orders and/or were less than nice about the rights of women or minorities - again, that was how things were done, and we (should) know better now. Doesn't make such things "right" by any means, but to condemn these peoples out-of-hand by our allegedly evolved 21st century sensibilities is narrow minded.

Judge not, lest you be judged, as they say. I am sure that some self-righteous individuals in the distant future will find amazing things to condemn us for - probably including a lot of stuff we wouldn't have even thought of.
 
I'm sure citizens of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and, quite possibly, several others, deeply appreciate your in-depth analysis of their condition.

Really, you don't think the Canadian First Nations, Australian Aborigines, and Māori would agree that the British fucked things up for them?

ETA:

Whatever you may think of the European communities Britain transplanted into the lands it stole from their native inhabitants, let's get one thing straight:

The Federation, unlike the British Empire, is not in the business of conquering foreign lands, or importing its people into lands it has taken from their native inhabitants. The Federation, unlike Britain, is not an empire. That is the virtue of the Prime Directive.

Late coming back to this. Interesting comments by others, but the above seems to be an element of 'Because You Said This, You Must Also Be In Favour Of...'.

No. Someone cited the British Empire and the devastation it wrought as an example of the sort of thing the Prime Directive is meant to guard against. 7thsealord tried to imply that the citizens of countries that were founded out of British colonization would object to the idea that the British Empire did terrible things. I countered by pointing out that the indigenous peoples of those areas are citizens of those countries too, and that they would probably agree that the Empire did terrible things.

The primary point was not, "Oh, well you must also be in favor of X." The point was, "No, you're only thinking of the white people who live in those countries and how the Empire benefited them; you're not considering the experiences of the native peoples, for whom the Empire was a terrible thing." The secondary point was that the Federation does not practice imperialism.

Check the history of any Human tribe / nation / culture (including most of the ones you cite) or empire. Any human grouping that lasted long enough to have its own history certainly did so over the dead bodies of others - other groups supplanted or driven away or forcibly assimilated or wiped out, dissidents suppressed, and so on.
No one is contesting that, but it also is irrelevant to the questions of whether or not the British Empire was a bad thing for the peoples it conquered and of whether or not the British Empire is an example of the sort of thing the PD is meant to guard against.

Doesn't make such things "right" by any means, but to condemn these peoples out-of-hand by our allegedly evolved 21st century sensibilities is narrow minded. Likewise, singling out one empire to blame for all that is wrong in the world.
No one has said either of those things.

Judge not, lest you be judged, as they say. I am sure that some self-righteous individuals in the distant future will find amazing things to condemn "us" for - probably including a lot of stuff we wouldn't have even thought of.
Why wait? I'm aware of plenty of folks perfectly willing to condemn numerous aspects of modern society for their corrupt, oppressive natures.
 
I don't know how anyone can debate whether General Order #1 is poorly written when we don't know what it says!
It's a specific Starfleet regulation regarding what one may or may not say or do under certain circumstances that was quoted, as far as I recall, only once, in small part in Bread and Circuses.
 
It is very easy to look back on history and say it would have been better had this happened or that happened. Was the British Empire all bad, no of course not. That doesn't mean it was all good either.
 
With regards to the Genesis Device,

the Federation seemed to view it as a way to turn lifeless worlds into worlds capable of supporting life.

The Klingons viewed it as a weapon.

Sure I'm not dening that it could be used as a weapon, but it wasn't designed with that purpose in mind.
Sell a decent, hard working farmer diesel fuel and fertilizer and they'll grow food to feed people.

Sell the same materials to a terrorist and they'll create a bomb to kill people.

:)
 
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