Predictions for Phase 2 of Star Trek

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So now that we will be entering into phase 2 of Nutrek, with Picard and Discovery ending what does the future hold for Star Trek?

What would a Phase 3 look like?

So far Phase 2 looks like Strange New Worlds and the 2 animated series surviving Phase 1 to go into Phase 2, a new 32 century SFA live action show, most likely Star Trek Legacy, and the now the biyearly streaming movies starting Section 31.

Retiring Star Trek Discovery, Star Trek Picard, and I assume Short Treks, the shows that for tye longest time defined Phase 1 for good and bad, athough SNW escipsed them in popularity, when it came out, until Picard Season 3.

So with Discovery out, what becomes the Flagship series and the face of Star Trek SNW or STL?

What other streaming movies would you like too see? Top of my list would be an Enterprise Movie giving that cast the ending they deserved, but never got.

After that a Terran Empire movie, but rated like Game of Thrones, aka Game of Tits, rated NC-17.

 

[Mudd]

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So with Discovery out, what becomes the Flagship series and the face of Star Trek SNW or STL?

SNW.

STL doesn't exist.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Not one mention of Star Trek: Legacy in the OP article. And [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/star-trek-legacy-release-date/]:

Matalas has been clear that the project is not currently in active development, and has suggested that that is unlikely to change in the immediate future.​

 

[Richard S. Ta]

SNW should have been the face of it from the beginning. Not to rib on PIC or DSC which I like, but they would have been better off dipping their toe into the water with something somehow old, yet somehow new before attempting to rock the boat.

And yes, it's SNW for the time-being as Star Trek Legacy exists only as an idea.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Until the writer's strike is over, there won't be a phase II of Streaming Trek.

After that, I'm expecting a shift toward TV movies and away from series' as the network continues to cut costs.

 

[Jarvisimo]

How the writers guild strike affects things will be key too

Also this is such a useful account of why the strike is taking place by GRRM, reflecting on his own experience in the TNG era of TV making versus now. I wonder how much of this took place in modern trek versus the very clear network staff structure of the Berman era.

 

[El Maestro]

Until the writer's strike is over, there won't be a phase II of Streaming Trek.

After that, I'm expecting a shift toward TV movies and away from series' as the network continues to cut costs.

This is probably the most accurate at the moment...

 

[Uhura's Song]

SNW is the flagship. Obviously. LD is a cartoon. As is PRO, which is cancelled (though I hope S2 finds a home). Academy is a teen centered thing, that cannot be the flagship. S31 is a movie. Legacy doesn't exist.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I think phase 2 will be heavy on recycling sets and CGI assets for all productions. Writing will likely have to be top notch to make up for this.

SNW becomes the flagship. It likely ties up the loose ends from Short Treks (Calypso, Ask Not, The Trouble with Edward, etc), while still leaning into being a TOS prequel.

SFA for a couple of seasons. I don’t think it will last beyond that; I think a Federation Security show based around Nhan will be greenlit and fill the role the planned S31 tv series was supposed to if they intend to continue exploring the 32nd century.

Legacy for 3 seasons like PIC. It should go for 5 seasons, but that’s too early to predict. But Legacy will likely be greenlit.

LD probably lasts 10 seasons, to cover the 2380s. It might spawn a DS9 or ENT animated movie with this style; the DS9 assets are already there, and we’ll see with ENT.

The tv movies, starting with S31. I expect a few Disco movies (a Desperate Hours inspired story, a Tartigrade story, a Pahvo story & maybe a Klingon story) and a few PIC spinoff movies. There might be a live action movie adaptation of the DIS book Drastic Measures. And there may be even a Fall of the Terran Empire tv movie set on during the time of the ISS Ent-D, if the Ent-D bridge set is still standing, as that set could be reused for other Galaxy class ships.

A Tales of the Federation anthology series succeeds Prodigy, using the PRO art style. It might even allow for Prodigy to finish its story.

I don’t know what they are going to do with the Kelvin films, since they won't even use the SNW, DIS and PIC sets around and Disco’s AR wall to make something, even though that would cut costs significantly. Maybe make the leads executive producers of the movie to cut costs further?

Phase 3 will likely be based around a 23rd century starbase show, in the vein of the Vanguard novel series. Everything else is up in the air, as SNW, LD, Legacy & SFA will all be over by then. If phase 3 is in fact six years from now.

 

[Mudd]

I think phase 2 will be heavy on recycling sets and CGI assets for all productions.

Nope.

SNW...likely ties up the loose ends from Short Treks (Calypso, Ask Not, The Trouble with Edward, etc), while still leaning into being a TOS prequel.

Nope.

I think a Federation Security show based around Nhan will be greenlit and fill the role the planned S31 tv series was supposed to if they intend to continue exploring the 32nd century.

Nope.

Legacy for 3 seasons like PIC. It should go for 5 seasons, but that’s too early to predict. But Legacy will likely be greenlit.

Uh...Nope.

LD probably lasts 10 seasons, to cover the 2380s. It might spawn a DS9 or ENT animated movie with this style; the DS9 assets are already there, and we’ll see with ENT.

Nope.

The tv movies, starting with S31. I expect a few Disco movies (a Desperate Hours inspired story, a Tartigrade story, a Pahvo story & maybe a Klingon story) and a few PIC spinoff movies. There might be a live action movie adaptation of the DIS book Drastic Measures. And there may be even a Fall of the Terran Empire tv movie set on during the time of the ISS Ent-D, if the Ent-D bridge set is still standing, as that set could be reused for other Galaxy class ships.

A Tales of the Federation anthology series succeeds Prodigy, using the PRO art style. It might even allow for Prodigy to finish its story.

I don’t know what they are going to do with the Kelvin films, since they won't even use the SNW, DIS and PIC sets around and Disco’s AR wall to make something, even though that would cut costs significantly. Maybe make the leads executive producers of the movie to cut costs further?

Phase 3 will likely be based around a 23rd century starbase show, in the vein of the Vanguard novel series. Everything else is up in the air, as SNW, LD, Legacy & SFA will all be over by then. If phase 3 is in fact six years from now.

You're joking, right?

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah. We’ll be lucky if we get two more years of any Star Trek on TV at all. And theatrical films? Forget it.

 

[StarMan]

Movies seem dead for now. Top-tier franchises are struggling to get bums on seats, let alone Trek.

We have what they've told us. SNW has been greenlit for S3 and Starfleet Academy is in the works (putting aside the strikes). If I'm not mistaken, Legacy was given no more than the polite "we're open to ideas" spin from anyone in authority to greenlight - that was always a flight of fancy fandom stirred up amongst itself.

Trek is not gearing back up to its 2021-22 output. They are pulling back, as are other studios.

That's about it, really. I have no need for more Trek beyond SNW. I've got a big enough backlog of shows to watch as it is. I think SNW, a young-adult orientated show and LD is the extent of Trek's latest "phase", which is fine.

 

[DarKush]

If Paramount wishes to keep going with Trek after SNW ends, or close to its end, doing a Star Trek: Legacy kind of series makes the most sense to me. If the Section 31 movie happens, and is successful, I could see them doing more streaming movies. It could be a neat, and more cost-effective way, to please nostalgic Trek fans without having to sink money into series. Despite the Starfleet Academy announcement, I wonder if that series really will happen, with Hollywood being shut down. If that goes on long, I wonder how much it will make Paramount rethink their plans. The Legacy concept seems to have stoked more fan interest, not too much unlike the fan push for a Pike series, whereas I haven't seen/heard much of a push for an Academy series.

That doesn't mean that an Academy series can't be good, or become popular, but it might struggle more for legitimacy than a Legacy series would right off.

I am doubtful that Trek will dabble more in animation though after Lower Decks is over. I don't see them doing another series with that kind of humor, and with the unfortunate fate that befell Prodigy, I think that will make them reluctant to try another all-ages animated Trek series. Albeit, I would rather see an animated Academy series than a live-action one.

 

[Mudd]

That's about it, really. I have no need for more Trek beyond SNW.

Same here.

Paramount might want to produce another 25th century project - call it "Legacy" - in the wake of Pic3's streaming success. If they for some reason decide not to do that in the near future, and if SNW proves out as a successful flagship for the franchise - there's two hypotheticals there - I don't think it's likely that they'll choose to revisit the era of the Roddenberry/Berman shows in the mid-term future.

For all that older fans are now insisting that the old stuff represents "moving into the future," the 23d century probably has more novelty and untapped potential.

23rd century: As of now, about 100 hours of television plus six movies.
24th/25th century: As of now, roughly 550 episodes of television plus four movies.

(Yeah, ignoring the other eras and the Kelvin universe for simplicity. If one insists, I'd lump Enterprise in with the other Roddenberry/Berman era shows on the basis of style, format and core audience, and STD in with the 23rd century rather as an outlier in the 32nd, for similar reasons. However you decide to cut it, there's four or five times as much non-23rd century product than TOS-era.)

They can build out from the SNW setting and in the same contemporary style any number of ways without trying to launch a TOS Redux as such. A better approach might be to leverage those familiar characters and settings as elements in some other story - they're already doing that in SNW, after all, by using Spock and Uhura and Chapel as regulars along with a growing role for Kirk as a recurring supporting cast member.

Plus, of course, there's the possibility that, if S31 ever happens and pans out, they'll see potential in just doing a couple of big streaming movie productions based on TOS every year.

EIther way, there are a lot of ships and space stations besides the Enterprise in the 23rd century, same as in the 24/25th.

 

[StalwartUK]

Right now I can see them do everything to keep SNW going for a few more years since it's the "flagship" and probably their biggest success since Discovery.

As for anything else I doubt we'll get anything more than has already been announced. I would be surprised if even Section 31 and Starfleet Academy happened at this point, Section 31 seems doomed (only interest from the producers keeps the concept alive) and there's been little interest/excitement in Starfleet Academy. Kinda like how a few years ago they were building up to Section 31 adventures with Michelle Yeoh but the fans instead were more interested in seeing more of Anson Mount/Ethan Peck as Pike/Spock and the Enterprise, probably a wise choice in hindsight.

Legacy doesn't sound like it'll happen since it sounds expensive and might be deemed redundant in comparison to SNW, unless they decide to hold it off a few years after that ends but by then the interest in it might be lost, not to mention various actors moving on etc.

To be honest I wouldn't be shocked if a year or so from now it's basically curtain draws for the franchise. If it isn't already in the can don't count on it, of course as Prodigy shows even then you're not safe. The name of the game now is cheap, cheap, cheap and Star Trek has very much not been, though they've tried to cut things back with recent seasons like Picard S3 being basically set mostly on one ship for instance as opposed to splashing out on expensive location shoots like they did previously.

Is Lower Decks affected by the strikes? If it ain't it might count in its favor and avoid the axe for a while longer.

 

[Mudd]

The simplest error we tend to make when projecting into the future is to assume that current trends will continue longer than they often do. Probably lots of industry observers were worried about streaming markets, for example, but I don't remember anyone predicting the kind of slash-and-burn response strategy that David Zaslav instituted at Warners, before he ascended and made his moves.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Movies seem dead for now. Top-tier franchises are struggling to get bums on seats, let alone Trek.

The only Star Trek films that stand a chance of coming to the theatre in the near future are:

A final TNG film, which based on past TNG films could be a mid budget film, as I cannot possibly imagine that it is that much more expensive than filming a couple of seasons of PIC back-to-back. Though it might prevent a Legacy show on tv in the near future, meaning Seven of Nine and the rest of the PIC cast from all three season will have to be in the film to get all the interactions wanted. Due to the age of the TNG cast, the biggest issue would be time.

A Kelvin film, which is held up because Paramount won’t pay for Hemsworth, Pine and the rest of the Kelvin cast. But also have no interest in another film with Alice Eve, bringing TAS ideas to life, focusing the plot on Captian Robau instead of George Kirk, or even a plot based around their unused Kelvinverse Gorn)

A Discovery film. It was the tentpole series for the current era, they tried to develop scripts for DIS and frankly, they’ll do anything for DIS.

An SNW film, mainly because the characters of Pike, Spock, Uhura and Chapel have been on the big screen before, though were played by different people.

A crossover TNG-Kelvin-Discovery film, possibly based on The Q Conflict comic (which was based off of the Star Trek Justice League idea) come to life. Clearly the most expensive to make and might mean no Star Trek on tv for a long while.

A Prodigy film. It’s the second cheapest film to make, especially if its just the S2 episodes condensed to movie form. Plus, Mulgrew has been on the big screen before in NEM, making it a possibility.

A Lower Decks film. The cheapest to make by far and also the best chance to have a film where the main casts from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are in it, and possible a few TOS or Kelvinverse cameos too. Basically, The Q Conflict mentioned above, but on the cheap.

A movie set during the Romulan War featuring the ENT cast. Possibly the third cheapest to make as in involves the ENT cast, but also has the longest shot to come into fruition as it’s based around the least popular show of the pre-DIS trek shows. Though Bakula has been on the big screen before in American Beauty, albeit not the lead role. Plot wise,Paramount would probably have to go full Quantum Leap at this point to have the ENT cast to resume where they left off in S4.

I am doubtful that Trek will dabble more in animation though after Lower Decks is over.

Animation is cheaper than live action. if anything, animation is the future.

Same here.

Then don’t watch them, then.

23rd century: As of now, about 100 hours of television plus six movies.
24th/25th century: As of now, roughly 550 episodes of television plus four movies.

Technically, it’s only been 20 hours for the 25th century. Not even a full day.

Legacy doesn't sound like it'll happen since it sounds expensive

It sounds expense because of the possible TNG cameos and its shot in LA instead of Canada. An appearance involving Stewart means it will be filmed in LA.

Is Lower Decks affected by the strikes? If it ain't it might count in its favor and avoid the axe for a while longer.

They are under a different union (The Animation Guild). Plus, they are the cheapest show to make. That's why a feel that LD will go 10 seasons, and why it may spawn a few animated movie spinoffs.

 

[Lord Garth]

There's not going to be another Kelvin Film. It's been seven years and they just can't get the next one made. It's done.

Another TNG Movie's not happening. Picard Season 3 is the closest we'll get. I'm not saying we don't EVER see the TNG cast again. But all at the same time and on the Enterprise? Not happening.

I can see them bringing back Discovery... but as a TV Movie.

Strange New Worlds would also get the TV Movie treatment.

If there's another Star Trek movie in theaters, it'll be another reboot. Don't know when or by who, but it'll be made by someone else, starring someone else.

 

[Lord Garth]

I would've wanted to see a Quentin Tarantino Star Trek movie, but that was always a pipedream. It would've either been the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, no real in-between, but I would've had a great time either way.

 

[Quinton]

I can see them bringing back Discovery... but as a TV Movie.

I hadn't considered this, but I can totally see it happening at some point. It's not a guarantee that everyone would be able to reunite behind the camera, but so long as you get the bulk of them together, it could work. As for the shuttered sets, well, it isn't beholden to taking place aboard the ship.