Any books out there yet, or in the works, addressing the Post-Romulan galaxy and the consequences of the destruction of Romulus and Remus?
Post-Romulan Galaxy
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^Nope, not in the main Trek Lit continuity. That happens in 2387, and the furthest forward the Lit continuity has gotten to date is circa March 2383. The only book that deals with that timeframe so far is Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many, which ties into the continuity of the online game and is unconnected to the main novel continuity.
^Thanks Chris. Maybe keep the idea in the back of your mind. 
I wonder what form the supernova will take in the post-series novel continuity? Will it be the galaxy threatening supernova exploding at FTL speeds 500 light years from Romulus as seen in The Needs of the Many, or will that be ignored and lines from the movie be retconned and reinterpreted, turning the supernova into a local event (i.e. the Romulan sun going nova)?
^It can't be Romulus's own star going supernova, or the planet would've been destroyed minutes later, and there would've been no time to try to organize the Red Matter solution.
Anyway, I don't think there's any rush to get around to this. There are still plenty of stories to be told about the current status quo in the novels before it gets upset by the supernova.
Anyway, I don't think there's any rush to get around to this. There are still plenty of stories to be told about the current status quo in the novels before it gets upset by the supernova.
I've noticed that the novels seem to be jumping forward alot quicker than they had been in the past, and I'm wondering if that is because they are trying to get to the Romulus Supernova quicker.
Will it be covered, though? Cause if a post-Romulan galaxy is explored, that'll be the first indication that the Prime Universe had survived Nero's incursion to the past, and didn't dissolve because of it.
After Countdown, The Needs of the Many, STO, etc. all show their versions of the TNG/DS9/VOY universe continuing on well past 2387, it would be far from the "first" indication.
The supernova doesn't make sense in the context of the novelverse, which seems to operate along the astrographic lines of the Star Trek Star Charts. The known worlds and civilizations of the Star Trek universe are all clusters together within dozens of light years, low hundreds at the most--Romulus seems to be within a hundred light years of Sol, as indicated by the relatively short trip taken by the proto-Romulans' sublight vehicles and A supernova five hundred light years away from Romulus, light-speed lag aside, would have consumed such a huge volume of space before getting to Romulus that either everyone would be dead already or Spock's deployment of Red Matter would have been far too late to even technobabble-like halt the supernova.
If we assume that the supraluminal propagation of the wave front was either artificially induced or product of the weirdness of the supernova environment or something, then the best fix for supernova partner might be a nearish large star, maybe something as far away as Romulus as Sirius or Procyon, probably closer. (What was the blue star Augo, close neighbour to Eisn, that Duane introduced in The Empty Chair?) A very nearby unexpected supernova with unexpected supraluminal consequences would work best in destroying Romulus without annihilating the rest of the known galaxy, hammering what would presumably be the oldest extra-Eisn Romulan worlds but leaving Romulan civilization and space otherwise intact. Let's face it: destroying Romulus is one thing, but annihilating Romulan civilization something different. We still need them!
Where do you get the figure of 500 light years? That's never stated in the movie.
Sorry, I got that from Martin's STO novel.
"129 years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy"rfmcdpei said:
"He called himself Nero, last of the Romulan Empire"
I should point out that in STO/TNoTM, the Romulan civilization continues on their new capital world, somethingbeginningwithA. And that Countdown and The Needs of the Many play loose continuity-wise both with each other (TNoTM mentions Nero attacking Vulcan in 2387) and STXI (in Countdown, Romulus is destroyed before Spock even launches - altough I suspect this is because of either an early STXI script being used as the basis of the plot or JJ's last minute tinkering with the movie's mind meld scene, which went on up until 2 weeks prior to the film's premiere)
Plus, the flashforward in the movie takes place in a mind meld, which gives a little bit of wiggle room for future authors.
Which could've been meant figuratively, i.e. it threatened to trigger a war that could've torn the known galaxy apart, say.
He called himself that, which doesn't mean it was literally true. He was in a rather agitated emotional state at the time.
Countdown also has Spock and Nero as friends before the supernova while the movie dialogue suggests they never met.
Although that's strictly true, Spock's not known for hyperbole. In the early script at IMSDB (quoted simply to get an idea what the writers for aiming for), Spock says "A star in the Beta Quadrant will go supernova -- and like a cancer left untreated... it will grow... and destroy everything."Christopher said:
Actually I'm not sure if Nero called himself that or if Spock applied that label. I went back and checked - I was wrong to put a comma in there when "Last of the Romulan Empire" is said in an overlapping, echo-y voice and not part of the "He called himself Nero" sentence.
That could merely be the part of the meld where Kirk's introduced to Nero.
Which makes no sense whatsoever and wasn't in the film anyway. Supernovae don't work that way.
You're asserting a distinction that doesn't exist. Regardless of Nimoy's intonation, the only grammatically valid way to interpret "He called himself Nero, last of the Romulan Empire" is that it was what Nero called himself. If it had been Spock's characterization, he would've had to say "He called himself Nero, and he was the last of the Romulan Empire."
And again, it's clearly impossible that Nero would've been the last Romulan in existence, since Romulans are scattered all over space. Why waste energy trying to argue in favor of a completely impossible and nonsensical interpretation?
No, it obviously isn't. Spock says it after Nero arrives at the supernova site.
Like it or not, Trek is fantasy dressed up in sci-fi colours. It has been from the very start. In Trek, supernovae sometimes can and do do that. Just like black holes are sometimes magical time portals.
It's a mind meld, deliberately shot in a dream-like manner and not as a lecture. It could have easily been an echo of Spock's thoughts as he described the scene to Kirk.
"Last of the Romulan Empire" not "Last of the Romulan people". Without their centralized seat of power, the Romulan Empire may well collapse.
Again, it's a mind meld. He's only giving Kirk the essentials. That he may have had tea on Romulus with Nero weeks prior would have had no bearing on the current situation. Think of it like how they don't show every detail and even sometimes rearrange events on recaps of multipart episodes.
Have you ever seen TOS? Everything was the most this or that than ever before. It was always immeasurable or indestructible or unbelievable or inconceivable (not quotes). Don't get me wrong, I love Spock, but he was pretty goofy with his declarations sometimes.
Sure, but there's still going to be very large numbers of Romulans outside of their home system, even without their empire.
And interesting points on the mind meld, BTW.
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