Post Nemesis
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The Novels depict a slight thawing followed by a total clusterflump when the Romulans join a number of other races in the "Typhon Pact"
What's interesting is, arguably TNG predicted Nemesis: in the S4 episode "Future Imperfect" there are references to the Enterprise getting involved with the Romulans in some way in 2379...and loe and behold!
What's interesting is, arguably TNG predicted Nemesis: in the S4 episode "Future Imperfect" there are references to the Enterprise getting involved with the Romulans in some way in 2379...and loe and behold!
Going by the movie alone, one might speculate that Romulus is barely affected by Shinzon's little Spartacus rebellion. The Reman rebel only assassinated a very small number of top politicians, apparently - easily replaced, as the backstabbing culture probably has to face such situations on a more or less regular basis anyway. And in the end, the decisive position of the Romulan military was once again established.
Whether the Scimitar really had anything to offer to the Romulans is debatable. The movie doesn't really confirm that anything about it would have been secret from the Romulans themselves. Yes, the Senate seemed ignorant of the telltales of an impending thalaron attack, but that's civilian politicians for ya. The Romulan military or a faction therein could have been responsible for building the Scimitar (with Reman slave labor as usual) and then giving it over to Shinzon in order to support the latest slave rebellion and further their political agenda (the one they push at the start of the film).
What was that agenda, btw? The military characters wanted the Senate to "consider Shinzon's offer" and to unite the forces of Romulus and Remus. Did Shinzon offer such a unification? That is, did Shinzon offer to pledge loyalty to the Senate and give it access to a willing Reman army, if Remans were allowed certain liberties and whatnot? This as opposed to the status quo where the Reman army exists but is not willing, merely enslaved to fight? Do the novels shed light on this?
Timo Saloniemi
Whether the Scimitar really had anything to offer to the Romulans is debatable. The movie doesn't really confirm that anything about it would have been secret from the Romulans themselves. Yes, the Senate seemed ignorant of the telltales of an impending thalaron attack, but that's civilian politicians for ya. The Romulan military or a faction therein could have been responsible for building the Scimitar (with Reman slave labor as usual) and then giving it over to Shinzon in order to support the latest slave rebellion and further their political agenda (the one they push at the start of the film).
What was that agenda, btw? The military characters wanted the Senate to "consider Shinzon's offer" and to unite the forces of Romulus and Remus. Did Shinzon offer such a unification? That is, did Shinzon offer to pledge loyalty to the Senate and give it access to a willing Reman army, if Remans were allowed certain liberties and whatnot? This as opposed to the status quo where the Reman army exists but is not willing, merely enslaved to fight? Do the novels shed light on this?
Timo Saloniemi
Interesting. I suspect the Tal Shiar has been rebuilt since is debacle vs the Dominion. I'm quite sure they would do everything in their power to seize tech info for the glory of the Empire or at least themselves.
Seems to me the series of novels featuring TNG seem to focus more on new threats by the Borg, rather than focusing on peace with the Romulans. Oh well, what do I know...
Whoa, I thought Kathy took care of those naughty cyborgs
One of the short stories in the Tales of the Dominion War anthology explains that the Tal'Shiar was indeed grabbing interesting tech left and right, including the thalaron weapon and the Soongian android B-4. And during the war, Shinzon happened to be involved in a military campaign that liberated a cache of Tal'Shiar secrets from its Jem'Hadar occupiers...
The story leaves it ambiguous whether B-4 was a true Soongian prototype captured by the Romulans, or some sort of a low-quality fake constructed by them. The latter would fit the theme of creating copies of Starfleet personnel and personalities... And makes one wonder whether the Tal'Shiar succeeded with a few switcharoos even if officially abandoning the attempt to replace Picard!
Timo Saloniemi
The story leaves it ambiguous whether B-4 was a true Soongian prototype captured by the Romulans, or some sort of a low-quality fake constructed by them. The latter would fit the theme of creating copies of Starfleet personnel and personalities... And makes one wonder whether the Tal'Shiar succeeded with a few switcharoos even if officially abandoning the attempt to replace Picard!
Timo Saloniemi
Just compare it with TUC. Relations will improve but there might be setbacks (we saw once potential path of Klingon-Federation relations in Yesterday's Enterprise). It is a long way from a cold war to actual peace.
As did I friend. But there they were again in books like Resistance and it's followups. The two-part Voyager series Homecoming even provided a way for a new Queen to be developed. Now I liked the Borg in Voyager but this was going too far after such a 'final' end on TV.
Final End nothing! There was nothing in Endgame to suggest the Borg were destroyed, any more than there was in FC and BOBW!
The Borg Unicomplex was destroyed? So what? The Borg aren't a nation in the sense we understand it, they don't have attachment to worlds or ships - Unimatrix 01 being called that doesn't denote its' importance, it denotes that of the Unimatrices, it is the first! Implying that there are others! And we saw that the entire collective wasn't affected anyway, because Sphere 536 (again, not a measure of importance) was still responding to the Queen's commands...
The Borg command an area of Space that can be most efficiently crossed if you travel 10,000 lightyears...I call no way on the idea that the Borg can be destroyed by 1 neurolytic pathogen!
The Borg Unicomplex was destroyed? So what? The Borg aren't a nation in the sense we understand it, they don't have attachment to worlds or ships - Unimatrix 01 being called that doesn't denote its' importance, it denotes that of the Unimatrices, it is the first! Implying that there are others! And we saw that the entire collective wasn't affected anyway, because Sphere 536 (again, not a measure of importance) was still responding to the Queen's commands...
The Borg command an area of Space that can be most efficiently crossed if you travel 10,000 lightyears...I call no way on the idea that the Borg can be destroyed by 1 neurolytic pathogen!
Wow. Upset much about it are you?
Why are you sobbing in your milk? It just a TV show. At least that is what I keep telling myself...just a series....just a series....
Even with Romulus destroyed in 2387, that doesn't preclude the possibility of another world being renamed Romulus (or New Romulus) one day and serving as the re-established capital of the Empire.
The Romulan Empire s an allegory for the Romans in many ways... Maybe this will lead to a "Byzantine" Empire? Though I don't know what will stand in for Constantinople...
