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Post Nemesis

The only way around 'teh canon' would be for them to say that the timeline that spock prime came from was not the same as what has been previously explored. Its is a reboot after all, so it could be claimed that we're dealing with 2 new timelines altogether. That way the novels can go where they like with it.

IMO the Romulans were by far the most interesting bad guys, I'd of liked to see more of them really, or at least more exploration of their empire and culture

That would make Nimoy's cameo utterly pointless.

It's worth Romulus being destroyed if, like Nero and his crew, the survivors jettison the bowl cuts and shoulder pads. It was the Space Fashion Police who set off that supernova!
 
I don't see how it would make Nimoy's appearance any less valid. It would still be Spock, just from a slighty different timeline.
 
If you're going to bring Nimoy in as the older Spock people are going to expect him to be the "real" Spock not some alternate version.
 
How would he be any less real? He could be from an alternate timeline that split just after Nemesis for all we know.
 
The whole point of bring the Nimoy Spock into Star Trek '09 was to link it to the orginal Trek universe and to show that it still exists and wasn't erased from existence.
 
I don't think the new movie was really trying to suggest that the entire Romulan race got wiped out. Just their home planet.

They should still have a huge empire and a huge fleet out there somewhere.
 
It still doesn't change the fact that he could have been from the original universe up until just a few days or even hours before he went back in time. It doesn't erase the original timeline.
 
It still doesn't change the fact that he could have been from the original universe up until just a few days or even hours before he went back in time.

That's needlessly convoluted.

If you want to cling to the notion that Spock Prime is from some other universe than the prime TOS/TNG one, you're entitled to your opinion. But your opinion would be wrong. The writers of the movie say he's the same Spock. Leonard Nimoy says he's the same Spock. Do you think you know better than Nimoy and the writers?

It doesn't erase the original timeline.
Since the original timeline was never erased in the first place, what's the problem?
 
Dude, I'm not "clinging" to anything. I don't care what universe he's from. I was just offering up an alternative to how things could have gone based on another poster's idea. Lighten up!
 
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You made three different posts saying basically the same thing. Pardon me if I thought you were "clinging." :)
 
I love the new movie, but it is a shame TNG wasn't allowed to go out on the same high note that TOS did.
 
I love the new movie, but it is a shame TNG wasn't allowed to go out on the same high note that TOS did.

"Not allowed?"

It had it's chance at going out on a high note and made a hash of it. TOS had its chance to go out on a high note and nailed it.
 
I thought The Undiscovered Country was nigh-on the perfect send-off for the TOS crew.
 
Well since Spock prime knows when and where the supernova will occur, there is still time to figure out a way either with red matter or something else to stop it from happening in the first place, which will change the timeline again. (boy I hate time travel, gives me a headache).

If I read right there was some question as to where the Supernova happened. I think it was Romulas' sun. I think there is a line about it.
 
Trek is pretty consistent about really big explosions also having a "subspace component" and effects that propagate FTL. The problem with STXI is that the big explosion there was called "supernova", and we can tell from experience that an ordinary supernova doesn't have a FTL component. They should have chosen a fancier name for a "special" kind of supernova that was meaner than the usual sort.
I think its OK if the supernova was in a nearby star system, and not necessarily in the same star system as Romulus itself. It could still move at sublight speeds.

There is an assumption of significant time after the actual supernova and Spock attempting to stop the expansion of the blast. He first has to go to Vulcan, arrange for the Vulcan scientists to outfit the Jellyfish with red matter, and then fly from Vulcan to Romulus (ignoring, of course, that he was too late). That all must have taken time. The Praxis explosion, on the other hand, was nearly instantaneously felt light years away.

The galaxy-changing effects could be referring to the fact that Romulus is the seat of a vast empire. It would be similarly galaxy-changing if Earth were to be destroyed, and like how Vulcan is destroyed in the new timeline.
 
Well since Spock prime knows when and where the supernova will occur, there is still time to figure out a way either with red matter or something else to stop it from happening in the first place, which will change the timeline again. (boy I hate time travel, gives me a headache).
Why would that change the timeline again? The timeline has already changed, and we currently have no knowledge of future events in the alternate timeline. We know that that star will go supernova in 2387, but that event has not yet occurred from the point of view of nuTrek canon. Anything that happens here on out in nuTrek is part of a new canon.

But you're right, since we know its going to happen, there is time to prevent it.
 
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