Post DS9 series

[Kaziarl]

Ok, I know alot of people are going to instantly turn this one down, but please hear me out.

A lot of people didn't like DS9 because it was to dark, they didn't like the war, etc. etc...

However, I think one of the things that makes us human is how we deal with suffering. Not only how we react to it, but how we rebuild from it. This is right where DS9 left off, and there is so much material to choose from. Rebuilding Cardassia, Rebuilding Earth, Reforming alliances and trying to sustain current ones. Even dealings with the Founders now that Odo is in charge.

So what do you think? what else might work?

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

is odo in charge of the changelings? i thought he just joined them. who says he's their leader? the relaunch novels? (i ask because i've never read them, not out of incredulity)

 

[Kaziarl]

It's been some time since I've seen the end of DS9 so I could be wrong. iirc it was more as an advisor/ambassador, and by doing this convinced the female founder to turn herself in.

 

[jamestyler]

is odo in charge of the changelings? i thought he just joined them. who says he's their leader? the relaunch novels? (i ask because i've never read them, not out of incredulity)

The female shapeshifter we saw stood as representative during the Admiral Pointless speech, but I wouldn't imagine there'd be a clear leader as they're, in a sense, all one entity when together.

As for the idea...
...I've actually had a good idea for writing a story based on a similar concept. I'm writing it for my own amusement (may even put it online if I ever finish it) but as I worked out the details it didn't end up being as dark as I thought it would.

It's a dark subject, but I found a lot of optimism in the characters using the rebuilding to restore their faith in the Federation, and in bringing others back into the group.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I had an idea about a post DS9 series where the Federation and Dominion have an unstable non aggression treaty and Odo has managed to reshape the Dominion into a more peaceful 'organisation' but many Jem'Hadar unhappy about the new direction of the Dominion band together as sort of rebels and make life hell for Alpha Quadrant ships in the Gamma Quadrant.

 

[jamestyler]

I had an idea about a post DS9 series where the Federation and Dominion have an unstable non aggression treaty and Odo has managed to reshape the Dominion into a more peaceful 'organisation' but many Jem'Hadar unhappy about the new direction of the Dominion band together as sort of rebels and make life hell for Alpha Quadrant ships in the Gamma Quadrant.

That might make an interesting angle... having the Federation in the Gamma quadrant helping the Founders make peace and/or show their new ways with the worlds they control while getting caught up in a Jem'Hadar civil war.

It would be interesting to see the Jem'Hadar start to break free of the Founders.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I'm up for a post-DS9 series, sure. Won't happen anytime soon (23rd C is far more likely, with or without the recast TOS crew) but we can always yak about it.

I see Odo as being very likely to be absorbed more into the mindset of The Great Link than being able to change them. He's just one drop in an ocean. But that would be a fascinating character conflict to explore.

And if we have to re-cast the DS9 crew by the time this series launches, I nominate William Fichtner as Odo.

I had an idea about a post DS9 series where the Federation and Dominion have an unstable non aggression treaty and Odo has managed to reshape the Dominion into a more peaceful 'organisation' but many Jem'Hadar unhappy about the new direction of the Dominion band together as sort of rebels and make life hell for Alpha Quadrant ships in the Gamma Quadrant.

I've never considered the Jems inherently warlike. They are inherently loyal to the Founders, and if the Founders tell them to put down their arms and take up farming, they'd happily do just that.

Personally, I'd say the Vorta are far more likely to make trouble if the Founders become a pack of disgusti-patin' bleeding heart liberals. Just look at Keevan, he had no problem putting his interests before the Dominion's, while the Jems were steadfastly loyal and honorable.

And since the Jems generally don't know anything about the Founders other than what the Vorta tell them, well...that certainly is a weakness in the Dominion's structure that could be used against the Founders. They exercise their will via the Vorta, maybe not the best idea they ever had?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I had an idea about a post DS9 series where the Federation and Dominion have an unstable non aggression treaty and Odo has managed to reshape the Dominion into a more peaceful 'organisation' but many Jem'Hadar unhappy about the new direction of the Dominion band together as sort of rebels and make life hell for Alpha Quadrant ships in the Gamma Quadrant.

I've never considered the Jems inherently warlike. They are inherently loyal to the Founders, and if the Founders tell them to put down their arms and take up farming, they'd happily do just that.

Personally, I'd say the Vorta are far more likely to make trouble if the Founders become a pack of disgusti-patin' bleeding heart liberals. Just look at Keevan, he had no problem putting his interests before the Dominion's, while the Jems were steadfastly loyal and honorable.

And since the Jems generally don't know anything about the Founders other than what the Vorta tell them, well...that certainly is a weakness in the Dominion's structure that could be used against the Founders. They exercise their will via the Vorta, maybe not the best idea they ever had?

Well you clearly missed the episode then with that Jem'Hadar who lost his adiction to K-White. He managed to persuade other Jem'Hadar to disobey the Dominion and land on a planet to find a way to stop their addiction so they could break free of their 'bonds'.

You clearly also missed the episode with those Jem'Hadar who disobeyed the Dominion and kept the Iconian gateway they found to themselves.

 

[hellsgate]

I could see that. Type it up & submit it to my Anthology or to the Fan Fiction thread as part of one of the challenges.

A story from the perspective of the crew of a mid/late 2370's Federation freighter. Perhaps letters home from the convoy of 'Red Cross' volunteers, combat engineers, Cardassian witnesses, Klingon escorts, Bajoran / Non-Bajoran spiritual 'specialists' (interdenominational chaplains,) & trainees with the Starfleet Diplomatic Corps that have just set-down after the Jem Hadar bombardment & during Odo's negotiations to bring about the Gamma Quadrant Peaceful Exploration Treaty that officially ends the Dominion War.

 

[Marie1]

The DS9-relaunch novels do not put Odo in charge, he's just one of the 100 that rejoin the Founders. They're an ocean, they have no leader, one "Founder" is the ocean in a drop.

I imagine the majority of Jem'Hadar would continue to serve the Founders without white. And I'm not sure if they'd all want to be free as it prevents them from having to eat and sleep and do other "weak" things- they like being superior. The only reason that the White is a chain is because it shackles them to the Vorta, not the Founders. The Vorta lead the Jem'Hadar, but its plain they aren't worthy of it, they're self-serving and unreasonable, which makes them poor leaders.

I doubt we'll see a Jem'Hadar civil war, but convincing them to act outside the capasity of soldiers would be interesting. I think at Vorta rebellion is more likely, the question is- can they get Jem'Hadar on their side? They'd have to rewrite the code...

Most Jem'Hadar would stick to the Founders too because even if the Founders aren't "gods" they're powerful aliens who are the leaders of the Dominion, and as the Dominions's troops, they still owe allegiance to the Dominion.

I had an idea about a post DS9 series where the Federation and Dominion have an unstable non aggression treaty and Odo has managed to reshape the Dominion into a more peaceful 'organisation' but many Jem'Hadar unhappy about the new direction of the Dominion band together as sort of rebels and make life hell for Alpha Quadrant ships in the Gamma Quadrant.

I've never considered the Jems inherently warlike. They are inherently loyal to the Founders, and if the Founders tell them to put down their arms and take up farming, they'd happily do just that.

Personally, I'd say the Vorta are far more likely to make trouble if the Founders become a pack of disgusti-patin' bleeding heart liberals. Just look at Keevan, he had no problem putting his interests before the Dominion's, while the Jems were steadfastly loyal and honorable.

And since the Jems generally don't know anything about the Founders other than what the Vorta tell them, well...that certainly is a weakness in the Dominion's structure that could be used against the Founders. They exercise their will via the Vorta, maybe not the best idea they ever had?

Well you clearly missed the episode then with that Jem'Hadar who lost his adiction to K-White. He managed to persuade other Jem'Hadar to disobey the Dominion and land on a planet to find a way to stop their addiction so they could break free of their 'bonds'.

You clearly also missed the episode with those Jem'Hadar who disobeyed the Dominion and kept the Iconian gateway they found to themselves.

Those were exceptions, and the Vorta want the Founders to think that without White they'll lose control over the Jem'Hadar when really, its probably only the Vorta that would lose control.

 

[mirandafave]

Ok, I know alot of people are going to instantly turn this one down, but please hear me out.

A lot of people didn't like DS9 because it was to dark, they didn't like the war, etc. etc...

However, I think one of the things that makes us human is how we deal with suffering. Not only how we react to it, but how we rebuild from it. This is right where DS9 left off, and there is so much material to choose from. Rebuilding Cardassia, Rebuilding Earth, Reforming alliances and trying to sustain current ones. Even dealings with the Founders now that Odo is in charge.

So what do you think? what else might work?

A post DS9 series would be great - if unlikely! There's loads of material to be explored with how things ended up - many of which you have listed but add to it the turmoil in Romulus following Nemesis [canon so even if you didn't like it you need to accept it for a post series - while at the same time until such a time as one happens you can put it down to Data having a malfunctioning dream subroutine.]

Definitely explore the Dominion post war and toubles brewing but not necessary a big part of the series arc as it would be too alike DS9 if war mongering worries dominate - rather various recurring episodes

If want to delve in Dominion politics have a scientific / diplomatic ship exploring the Gamma Quadrant - new aliens and motives. An expedition perhaps with multiple ships, 'races', agendas with diplomats at cross purposes and possible spies all relaying back to Apha Quadrant and similarly dealing with Dominion and other species.

The expedition idea allows for us to explore different species and how they run their ships and different crew dynamics and adds a space station like feel with lots of recurring politcs but also allowing alien or threat of the week stories.

Agree that Vorta most likely turn-coats in Dominion and possibly might cause havoc by sabotaging Jem'Hadar hatcheries.

But apart from all that there's plenty to explore post DS9 in the alpha Quadrant. Klingons getting two big for their feet. Cardassian rebuilding and retaliation and insurgency and a possibly crumbling or cornered Romulan Empire and just what effect has the war on Starfleet's role and motivation - less expansive more isolationist consolidating? Questions, questions, questions???

 

[Astraea]

The DS9-relaunch novels do not put Odo in charge, he's just one of the 100 that rejoin the Founders. They're an ocean, they have no leader, one "Founder" is the ocean in a drop.

Actually,

Spoiler: DS9R, Olympus Descending in Worlds of DS9

since all the changelings left at the end of Olympus Descending, Odo and Laas are the only changelings left; the rest have left the planet and aren't interested in leading the Dominion any more. So now Odo is one of two leaders of the Dominion.

I would love to see a post-DS9 series, but it's exceedingly unlikely. The Relaunch novels are very good, though.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Actually,

Spoiler: DS9R, Olympus Descending in Worlds of DS9

since all the changelings left at the end of Olympus Descending, Odo and Laas are the only changelings left; the rest have left the planet and aren't interested in leading the Dominion any more. So now Odo is one of two leaders of the Dominion.

Whoever wrote that is an idiot.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Well you clearly missed the episode then with that Jem'Hadar who lost his adiction to K-White. He managed to persuade other Jem'Hadar to disobey the Dominion and land on a planet to find a way to stop their addiction so they could break free of their 'bonds'.

You clearly also missed the episode with those Jem'Hadar who disobeyed the Dominion and kept the Iconian gateway they found to themselves.

I saw both of em, but that just goes to show that the Jems are far from simplistic. Or they're inconsistently written. But I'll take Remata'Klan's word for it when he says the Jems are loyal to the Founders, with or without the k-white. If he means that they have independent wills and opinions, which certainly appears to be the case, then it also stands to reason they don't all have the same opinions. But in general, I'd say the Feddies should not find it easy to remove the Jems' loyalty to the Dominion. That's all they know, and what motive do they really have to change? Acting as honored soldiers for a big, important empire seems to suit them. What are they going to do, become farmers?

I imagine the majority of Jem'Hadar would continue to serve the Founders without white. And I'm not sure if they'd all want to be free as it prevents them from having to eat and sleep and do other "weak" things- they like being superior.

Good point. The k-white is both a weakness and a strength. It's always been a misnomer to call it an "addiction" since what it really is, is a food source.

I think at Vorta rebellion is more likely, the question is- can they get Jem'Hadar on their side? They'd have to rewrite the code...

We really haven't seen a huge number of Vorta, so it's anyone's guess what they are "really" like in the main. Weyoun was highly loyal but that might have been unusual, and resulted in his ascent to high responsibility. Keevan was extremely disloyal, but he may have been defective. I have a hunch there are an even wider range of behavior among Vorta than among Jems, and a whole lot of them are putting on a big show to keep from being found out and terminated.

The fact that both Vorta and Jems are artificial beings with (apparently) no "natural" means of, or instinct for, reproduction, is a very effective means of social control. They don't form families that will compete with the Dominion for their loyalty. If they weren't part of the Dominion, who would they be? What identity could they create for themselves? That alone will ensure a lot of loyalty.

 

[hellsgate]

As far as I'm aware, they're cloned & adjusted as necessary. So, I'm guessing they're celebrities on their homeworld. (Think of people like Barbara Walters, et al.) Getting to know all these facinating people. On the other end there's villainized Vorta. Characters on their homeworld like our own rebel mouth-piece Don Imus, just like in Wrestling. Heroes & Villains.