Possible that Starfleet still developed the Galaxy X class in the prime timeline?

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  1. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well.. On the refit question.. Your body is literally completely new every.. 7 years? .. Are you still you? :vulcan:
    I doubt ever stem bolt was replaced.. Was just a major refit.

    On the excellcior and Miranda and others.. Yes.. Should have new equipment, new warp engines, phaser strips, markings etc.
     
  2. Tim Thomason

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    The name "Galaxy X" comes solely from the 1999 video game Birth of the Federation. AFAICT, the ship class doesn't appear in any novels (outside of the All Good Things novelization, of course), and it's referred to simply as a "Galaxy class refit" in Star Trek Online.

    Memory Beta kind of took the one mention of a class name from Birth of the Federation and spread it out across all appearances, even though it's usually just an unnamed refit of the Galaxy proper.
     
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    The Soyuz had the only canon cannon!

    I also remember it from BotF only

    Except most of your neurons ;)
     
  4. Trekker4747

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    What was "super cool" looking about it? the big extra nacelle and the pylon thing it was sitting on on the back of the engineering section?

    The little winglets and greebles jutting out on various points over the ship?

    Or was it the big phaser-cannon on the bottom of the saucer section that could destroy things and blow them up? PEW! PEW! Boom!!! Wooooooo!!!!

    The Galaxy is an elegant, beautiful, design it didn't need all of that nonsense on it.
     
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  5. USS Firefly

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    Indeed. And you dont change the Mona Lisa
     
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  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    Yes that.
    And those.
    But especially that!
    I don't know sometimes it's fun.
     
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  7. Trekker4747

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    Of course the phaser cannon. Because that's what Star Trek is. Shooting things and making them go BOOM!!!!

    There's nothing cool about that bastardization of a beautiful design.
     
  8. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    I hope not. I never cared for the suped up Galaxy class in "All Good Things." All the add-ons ruin the design line and organic silhouette of the ship.
     
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  9. Trekker4747

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    But.. But... Third warp nacelle and a phaser cannon!
     
  10. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    But is the phaser cannon canon?!
     
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  11. JesterFace

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    Why add only one nacelle, having four nacelles like on Stargazer would've made more sense?
     
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    So, what's the third nacelle supposed to do that the other two can't? Does it make the ship go faster or allow high warp speeds for longer periods of time? Or maybe it just provides redundancy, like Worf's extra organs.

    Adding the additional nacelle might make sense if it was a one-off refit for a special mission. For example redundancy would be useful for a deep space mission where the Enterprise would be away from Federation territory for an extended period of time. Here's an idea: maybe the Enterprise was sent out to meet Voyager and bring her home before Janeway went back in time and changed the past.
    ETA: It kinda works since in the alternate future of Endgame, Voyager returns to Earth in 2394 while the future events of All Good Things happen in 2395.
     
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  13. NCC-73515

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    The Niagara had 3 Galaxy nacelles as well
     
  14. Admiral Archer

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    I would honestly love to see a refitted Galaxy that is basically a 2020 version of the 1987 design, much like the TMP refit enterprise was a 1979 version of a 1966 design. Take the basic shape of the Galaxy class, and improve upon it with modern sensibilities. Unlike with the 2009 redesign of the TOS ship (which I don't mind, btw), the Galaxy-class should be easier to translate because it already has those super organic shapes. Just make it even MORE organic looking and sleek, and it would be drop-dead gorgeous.
     
  15. Timo

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    In which sense is 2020s design organic? If anything, cars and appliances have steered towards more angular as of late.

    Starships veered sharply away from sleek and organic after TNG proper, at any rate. No telling how that trend would continue or reverse in the fictional universe, but in terms of studio reality, sharp angles seem to be going strong in PIC and DSC both. And the tiny glimpse of "future tech" we got in "Calypso" was more in the lines of Blomkamp cyberpunk, too.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  16. JesterFace

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    Might the ship be able to warp with only two nacelles? Maybe the 'All Good Things...' nacelle was a "backup" nacelle if one is knocked out in battle or for some other reason.

    That makes one wonder, does a ship like the Stargazer need all four nacelles to warp, are the two others there just in case one or two nacelles fail?
     
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    As I recall in some BTS info on the Constellation Class the idea was the ship was intended for deep-deep space exploration and it would alternate using the nacelles in order for the ship to run at high warp for long periods of time by alternating between the nacelles so as to not wear a set out. I'm guessing this problem was worked out by the time the Galaxy Class arrived since it was designed for deep-deep space exploration and didn't need two sets of nacelles.

    The third nacelle just "looked kewl" to fanbois living in 1993.
     
  18. Timo

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    As far as backstage doubletalk goes, the nacelles are basically the propellers of the ship, pushing her forward with power that is separately generated by a big boiler elsewhere in the ship.

    Expanding the analogy is easy enough. Small ships may have one propeller, because that's cheap. Big ones would benefit from having more, though:

    1) They can translate power to motion better, beyond the limited capability of any single given propeller to do so.
    2) Redundancy is nice.
    3) Two or more propellers are needed if you also want steering authority (unless you go Azipod or the like).

    Even today, one prop is for cheap warships; two is very common in warships; three or four is for large warships (but also used to be for tiny boats that could not mount large props and had lots of power to translate to lots of motion - today, single or twin waterjets are the preferred solution); and stealth or economy generally favor a single large propeller, to be found in subs and big civilian ships.

    Perhaps a Constellation has only a tad more power than a Constitution, but prefers to distribute the translating-to-motion job to more pairs for reduced wear and tear. Or then it does pack twice the power. And perhaps needs it due to having twice the mass or whatever (it also has two sets of impulse systems).

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  19. NCC-73515

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    I always imagined they can steer up and down during warp flight, while those with 2 in a horizontal configuration can only turn left and right
     
  20. Timo

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    Or then it takes four engines not to have to bank into a turn.

    Timo Saloniemi