I've also decided not to have kids. Sorta kinda for the environment, but if I'm being honest, my primary reasons are a.) I like to sleep, b.) kids are annoying, and c.) I'm lazy as hell. I'd make a godawful parent.
Population control
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Those that have responded saying that some form of feminism or female empowerment is the answer to population control are correct. Statistically, there is a direct, inverse correlation between the number of years of schooling that a woman achieves and the number of children she has.
I hear you.
Right around the time I went through puberty I decided I never wanted kids... maybe it's ironic that our vagrant lifestyles will be what actually saves the planet.
Which leads to the Eugenics wars in the Starfleet universe, Asian people take over the world and white man fights back and kicks them off the planet. Result White Men rule Starfleet and the whole Sol system by the time Kirk comes along, which explains TOS. Khan and co. in anger bleaches their skin and hair and by TWOK all traces of their Asian heritage have vanished.
The End.
I don't have children either. My ex-wife had a tubal pregnancy, and had to have her plumbing removed.
We'd tell folks "no we won't have children", only to get berated for being selfish, self-centered, and
just poor human beings for not giving our non-children life. Then we'd explain, and it was
"Oh... Sorry then."
Why do people, some of which worship at the alter of 'CHOICE', seem to look down on folk
who do just that, choose not to procreate? Are they jealous? "You don't know what you're
missing." Sorry, but I have changed enough diapers and seen enough public toddler breakdowns
to conclude parenthood is not for me.
I just don't get it.
Good for Bono. Any of us probably pay more in taxes and donate more in terms of ratio of income... he's teamed up to hawk more iPods to kids with Oprah (another manufactured image) co-selling with him more than anyone here ever will.
You also forget one tiny detail: It's not the religion that's a problem as such. Thst, if anything, is symptoms or the original attempt to halt an underlying problem or multiple problems. Just blaming solves nothing anymore. What are solutions? Hippies tried the "singing and drugging to screwing utopia" and that crashed as quickly as they had when the drugs ran out but to this day some druggies and STDs still hurt other peoples' lives and nobody's apologized for the music they made influencing people (or being hypocrites) since the music makers' goal was to influence and raked in big money for doing so... anyone knows money doesn't run politics or else rock stars would have destroyed "the evil capitalism monster" (that isn't) a long time ago.
My impression is this: People who take the time to make and raise children have a (not unfair) claim of feeling others are somehow wrong when they don't do the same as they themselves do. Although their blaming people who don't have children as being worse than those who neglect or abuse or let abuses happen seems more bizarre.
The people feeling everyone should be raising kids just as they are happen to be both right and wrong. For numerous issues already said, it is also true that not everybody can have children or should. With the abuses I suffered as a kid (not as much by parents but by empty-headed teachers, teachers that molested, mindless "counselors" who wouldn't listen, or children who bullied or assaulted (nonsexual or otherwise, wanna read a copy of my upcoming book?) but whose parents would not do their jobs or blame the school if it tried to step in to do what the parents had not), I will say the old proverb of "I am smart enough to know I'm foolish" as I would not make a good father because of PTSD and how various issues would impact the hapless child. Never mind what I've read about how much worse schools tend to be nowadays... I do donate to causes and other things. But those who neglect kids or let them be malicious brats are far worse than people who don't raise any.
Attitudes like the ones you and your ex-wife faced are part of the problem. I applaud people who choose not to procreate. I've seen far too many people with kids who have no business having kids. If anyone for whatever reasons decides that they don't want to have children, leave them be. We need less people in the world anyway.
Who are this "we" who gets to decide who is fit to breed or not? How are you defining idiot - people who don't share your policical views, race, and religion? What is your ideal master race?
Tongue firmly in cheek there. Lot's of folks here are concerned about doing the right thing--and chose not to have kids--would be good parents. Lots of folks who don't give a care--and are flippant---Octomom--you get the point.
Not advocating what we saw here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/population-control.288868/page-2#post-12089761
--the Larry Niven story.
That actually sounds like Lindberg. It is too easy to call humans a virus on the body of the planet--we have heard that one before..
My point was that lots of folks who can't have kids would be great parents--and vice versa--I was just pointing out how unfair the world seems...
Not advocating what we saw here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/population-control.288868/page-2#post-12089761
--the Larry Niven story.
That actually sounds like Lindberg. It is too easy to call humans a virus on the body of the planet--we have heard that one before..
My point was that lots of folks who can't have kids would be great parents--and vice versa--I was just pointing out how unfair the world seems...
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I admit to having those feelings that the world could be much better than it is and often feel depressed at the way some members of society treat others. However, some in the past have chosen drastic measures to eliminate those people that they felt were unworthy of sharing the world with them. I believe a lot more could be done through education, intervention and constructive engagement, but it seems those holding the purse strings typically would rather withhold the money required or divert it into grand schemes that enrich their own power base and interests.
They believe they are ordained by God to control other people's bodies (particularly thode of women) but often can't control their own. The sooner the AIs take over the better - let's just hope they think we're worth conserving.
Western governments have long been trying to promote that and failing.
That has also already been the case in some Western government and just because it's controversial in some segments doesn't mean it won't continue to happen and that most people in power will regard it as uncontroversial common sense. You can have decades of that occurring interrupted by brief periods of opponents gaining power but having little impact on the policy.
Well you always will have hyperbole.
Having to accept significant amounts of immigration doesn't seem like an indication that an economic system is failed, broken or untenable.
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AIs will be created by human beings so guess how well that might turn out
Re The Matrix franchise and The Terminator franchise lol
Or just accept ones standard of living in the West will have to be adjusted downwards for everyone including the 1%. Not exactly a vote winner when people love to be promised bread and jam today and the hell with tomorrow.
The problem is that education only works on the ignorant who are educable. It doesn't work on the stupid ones.
An ignorant person simply hasn't been educated. They haven't been given the facts, presented in a logical and easy-to-understand manner, with all their objections clearly explored and shown to be false. An educable person will accept this as valid, even they are frequently a stubborn ass about it (I speak mainly from experience here.)
But a STUPID person actively rejects and is hostile towards education. They won't change their opinions no matter how overwhelmingly the evidence is against them. They will always claim the evidence is a trick, the educators part of a gigantic conspiracy against them, in a manner that is positively cultish.
You can cure ignorance with education, but the cure for stupid... Two-by-Four: Apply Directly to the Forehead.
An ignorant person simply hasn't been educated. They haven't been given the facts, presented in a logical and easy-to-understand manner, with all their objections clearly explored and shown to be false. An educable person will accept this as valid, even they are frequently a stubborn ass about it (I speak mainly from experience here.)
But a STUPID person actively rejects and is hostile towards education. They won't change their opinions no matter how overwhelmingly the evidence is against them. They will always claim the evidence is a trick, the educators part of a gigantic conspiracy against them, in a manner that is positively cultish.
You can cure ignorance with education, but the cure for stupid... Two-by-Four: Apply Directly to the Forehead.
Zero-Sum economics and Trickle-down economics are like Astrology and Believing in Nibiru - they oppose each other, but they're both still woo.
