Poll: Janeway & Gender

[Kirk1980]

Yep... a retrieval mission against what should have been overmatched Marquis ships. That's a tactical nightmare But I'd argue her sciencey knowledge was needed in the sciencey Badlands.

I know, I'm trying to find ways I could've liked the character better Make her the first out of her depth captain!

How could she be any more out of her depth? Voyager was her first or second command, depending on whether the show or Mosaic counts, she's thrown into an unknown quadrant, and has to work with a crew that consists of criminals/terrorists without any SF backup.

She wasn't portrayed as such, really, was she? There were no real moments where she didn't know what to do exactly.

 

[flandry84]

I voted Yes,but TBH if there was a meh! option,then I would probably choose that.
Perhaps poor Janeway was just a victim of being connected to the (IMHO)worst incarnation of the Trek franchise.The creators obviously didn't care,so it was kinda a hard show to feel anything about.

 

[Marie1]

I ended up voting yes because overall, I didn't really dislike her in the show. All the clamouring on this board is rather vexing, so I almost said no out of irritation on the subject of "Janeway" but thats not fair to official Janeway. May she rest forever in peace.

 

[-Brett-]

I'm a male, and don't like Janeway.

Looks like I've fallen in to your clever trap. Everyone who doesn't like Janeway is sexist.

The character was so erratically written and did so many stupid things, that I voted no.

My opinion of Archer is about the same.

 

[Count Zero]

But as it stands now, the poll suggests that women are sexist because they are more likely to not like Janeway.

 

[Elemental]

You should add "and are you straight/gay?" There are going to be guys who hate the idea of a female in command. And then there are those who are like me ... gay, and love the idea of a woman Captain generally, but don't like Janeway specifically.

For goodness sakes.
Maybe it should be broken down by culture, height, and religion as well.

Count me in as a male who liked her.

 

[DimesDan]

You should add "and are you straight/gay?" There are going to be guys who hate the idea of a female in command. And then there are those who are like me ... gay, and love the idea of a woman Captain generally, but don't like Janeway specifically.

For goodness sakes.
Maybe it should be broken down by culture, height, and religion as well.

Count me in as a male who liked her.

As I've already asked, does ones sexuality have any relevance on the original question?

 

[Elemental]

You should add "and are you straight/gay?" There are going to be guys who hate the idea of a female in command. And then there are those who are like me ... gay, and love the idea of a woman Captain generally, but don't like Janeway specifically.

For goodness sakes.
Maybe it should be broken down by culture, height, and religion as well.

Count me in as a male who liked her.

As I've already asked, does ones sexuality have any relevance on the original question?

I assume you mean sex rather than sexuality. No, I don't think it means a lot but that was the original question the poster decided to ask.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

For goodness sakes.
Maybe it should be broken down by culture, height, and religion as well.

Count me in as a male who liked her.

As I've already asked, does ones sexuality have any relevance on the original question?

I assume you mean sex rather than sexuality. No, I don't think it means a lot but that was the original question the poster decided to ask.

Probably has to do with that post about Pocket killing Janeway being becuase of sexism, which the decision to to it didn't.

 

[Cheile]

i'm a girl, and i love Janeway.

to the negative ppl, every captain has good points and bad points. and i think it's really ridiculous to compare Kathryn against the others with the "she was bad, they were gods" brush. PLEASE.

i'd like to see how Archer or Kirk or Picard or Sisko would have dealt in KJ's shoes--thrown seventy thousand light years from Fleet Command, in a hostile quadrant, with a crew that half of whom were considered "criminals" and "terrorists".

were all her decisions right? no, she made some screwups. but so did the rest of them!

(hi, coming out of lurkdom...i thought i had an acct here from years ago but it got eaten somehow, therefore i start over...bah!)

 

[Marie1]

I don't think anyone has said- here or on the planet- that Janeway "was bad, they were gods."

Everyone knows they (Archer, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, everyone else) all messed up from time to time and did dumb or dubious things.

I for one thing her "alliance with the Borg" was just batty. No one is saying that she's worse, and no one is making any anything based on her gender.

And like Janeway, any other character would have done exactly as the show writers told them to do.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I don't think anyone has said- here or on the planet- that Janeway "was bad, they were gods."

Everyone knows they (Archer, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, everyone else) all messed up from time to time and did dumb or dubious things.

I for one thing her "alliance with the Borg" was just batty. No one is saying that she's worse, and no one is making any anything based on her gender.

And like Janeway, any other character would have done exactly as the show writers told them to do.

QFT

Also on an unrelated note at least the thread dosen't list vegetables you can do certain unmentionable things with.

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ That's the next poll.

 

[aelius]

As others have mentioned, my problem with Janeway comes from the incredibly inconsistent way in which she was written. I went into Voyager looking forward to seeing how she was going to handle things, but it did not take long for bad signs to start showing up.
The blustering at the Vidiians about how they would regret it if they ever harvested another member of her crew (after they took Neelix's lung) was completely ignored in all subsequent encounters with them. They murdered one of her crew members and tortured several others and all she did was carry out a rescue with no retaliation at all. Never make threats unless you plan to carry them out.
Her refusal to trade her library to the people who were willing to give Voyager a device that would shave thirty thousand light years off of the trip home because a local law would not allow it indicates a strict adherance to the regs. I mean this was a pretty minor point to get hung up on for shortening a seventy year trip by almost half. If she was a consistent "by the book" officer I could buy it, but roughly a year to a year and a half later she violated the the space of a culture that had clearly warned Voyager off and killed dozens if not scores of these aliens merely to save twelve to eighteen months on the trip home.
Inconsistencies such as these made it hard to take the character seriously, and there are plenty of other examples over the course of the series.
Picard's "by the book" attitude was annoying at times, but when he broke the rules it was always with much soul searching and debate with the crew. That kept his characterization internally consistant.
Sisko was never a "by the book" Captain. He believed in the regs, but when they were wrong or otherwise lacking he did what he thought was necessary. He occasionally came close to being cavalier about the regs (see For the Uniform) but again, it was a consistant part of his characterization.
My point is that my problems with Janeway are entirely due to the poor consistancy of the writing of her character rather than her character itself.
So in answer to your question I would have to say that I did not like her character and I am a guy, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Cheile]

I don't think anyone has said- here or on the planet- that Janeway "was bad, they were gods."

i never said anyone said that directly but i read the entire thread after answering the poll and that's the impression i'm getting from a lot of posters. t hey don't have to come out and say the exact words when their attitudes show it.

not to mention the anti-Janeway attitudes i've seen all over this board. and before anyone gets bent out of shape, that's my observation. if you don't agree, then you don't agree--that's certainly your right.

 

[Rii]

Male, and I don't like Janeway. Nothing to do with her being a woman, though. Hell, I don't like any of the Voyager characters outside the EMH.

 

[shanejayell]

Also on an unrelated note at least the thread dosen't list vegetables you can do certain unmentionable things with.

Give it time.
*lol*

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Also on an unrelated note at least the thread dosen't list vegetables you can do certain unmentionable things with.

Give it time.
*lol*

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[Kirk1980]

Aelius, I do not know you....

But that answer rocked my personal socks.

 

[William Leisner]

I don't think anyone has said- here or on the planet- that Janeway "was bad, they were gods."

i never said anyone said that directly but i read the entire thread after answering the poll and that's the impression i'm getting from a lot of posters. t hey don't have to come out and say the exact words when their attitudes show it.

I'm getting the impression, Cheile, that you hate kittens and worship parking meters. Oh, you didn't actually say it with words, but that's the impression I get.

I will, however, admit that I may have gotten a mistaken impression from simply reading internet postings. We all make mistakes, after all... don't we?