Poll: Janeway & Gender
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I refer you to a one...Captain Esteban from ST III.
You're in an unstable area and something unknown pops up on your sensors.
...and you don't put the shields up.
Science vessel captains are bad tactical ones.
Yes, entirely based on that example...because what reason would a science vessel captain have to do anything beyond the minimum tactical training? They come in when things are cleared up usually.
Besides, it would have been far more interesting to see her go through growing pains as a captain instead of I AM GODDESS KATHRYN, I AM TEH AWSUM!
You're in an unstable area and something unknown pops up on your sensors.
...and you don't put the shields up.
Science vessel captains are bad tactical ones.
Yes, entirely based on that example...because what reason would a science vessel captain have to do anything beyond the minimum tactical training? They come in when things are cleared up usually.
Besides, it would have been far more interesting to see her go through growing pains as a captain instead of I AM GODDESS KATHRYN, I AM TEH AWSUM!
1. I don't think Esteban would have went to the restroom without Starfleets express written consent though.
2. She wasn't on a science mission. She was going to the Badlands to retrieve her tactical officer.
where's the option for "i don't really care but all this Janeway stuff is getting fucking tiresome"?
Yep... a retrieval mission against what should have been overmatched Marquis ships. That's a tactical nightmare
But I'd argue her sciencey knowledge was needed in the sciencey Badlands.
I know, I'm trying to find ways I could've liked the character better
Make her the first out of her depth captain!
And yeah, Esteban sucked but he was the only science vessel captain we've seen
But I'd argue her sciencey knowledge was needed in the sciencey Badlands.I know, I'm trying to find ways I could've liked the character better
Make her the first out of her depth captain!And yeah, Esteban sucked but he was the only science vessel captain we've seen
uh, Ransom on the Equinox.
So are you saying that you would have been more comfortable with a weak female captain rather than a strong one?
The one thing that should be remembered is that all Trek Captains (and yes including Archer) are strong capable people. They are supposed to be written that way, so why question that? You may not like the character but don't belittle any Captain (from Kirk to Archer), because each series begins with them in command, the expected assumption should be that they have earned the right to be there.
By the way straight female, voting Janeway.
Brit
Because by the time Voyager rolled around, many of us were bored of that perfect Starfleet captain and the same old shit?
I would have preferred that Janeway was the second or third officer and had to assume command after the Captain and XO are killed. That would have been something different, something interesting - a captain in the making. However, we just got TNG-lite in an nonsensical context.
That option is "Oh, look, a thread with Janeway in the title, guess I won't bother reading that one because it doesn't interest me."
Actually I don't have a problem with that, believe it or not it's ideas like that that give us some of the best fan fiction. What I have a problem with is the attitude that Janeway shouldn't have been a captain at all, because she was the captain in the first place.
The scenario you are talking about is of course Ben Sisko and his struggle with his first command, DS9. He had to prove himself to not only Starfleet but to himself.
Some of the best examples of fan fiction out there deal with "what if Cavit survived?", or "Basics" was pretty lame, let's deal with the situation without making all of Voyager's crew look stupid. One of the very best fan fictions I know, "The Cardassian Mask" by L R Bowen, was written very early during Voyager's run and features a much more Native Chakotay still at odds with Tuvok and it is high adventure. Sure a great deal of fan fiction is dreck but there are gems there too.
Brit
Yep... a retrieval mission against what should have been overmatched Marquis ships. That's a tactical nightmare
I know, I'm trying to find ways I could've liked the character better
How could she be any more out of her depth? Voyager was her first or second command, depending on whether the show or Mosaic counts, she's thrown into an unknown quadrant, and has to work with a crew that consists of criminals/terrorists without any SF backup.
*shrugs*. I liked Janeway well enough, especially in early Voyager. Like many others, my problem was the rediculously inconsistent portrayal of her character. That's not really her fault, of course, but it makes it difficult to get a sense of who she really is. This problem was only magnified with Archer, and a great deal of the Enterprise crew.
Agree there was inconsistency shown in the portrayal of Janeway but ignoring the producers being too scared to let Mulgrew work on the part and everything else besides I think the inconsistency can be seen as part of the stoyline / development of the character.
In fairnes it was her first or second command and it would take anyone time to adjust to that nevermind being thrown 70 years into the Delta Quadrant, a large number of your crew killed and paired with Maquis terrorists. That's a lot to contend with. She had to find a way home and had to find a way to command. And as the years progress we see yes some abrupt changes from her but by the same token they are now stranded over a number of years, she has seen what it can reduce other Starfleet crews to (Equinox - a debacle of principles being squashed on a long term ongoing basis). Then there's the relentless scourge of Borg to contend with. Yes should have run for the hills bu they also offer the best technology that might find them a way home.
That is an interesting take but even as a new Captain I think it is still fair to make mistakes. Kirk made plenty - just not in the days of the internet. Picard's record with Stargazer wasn't the best - plus he left a perfectly intact ship [albeit unknowingly] to fall into enemy hands. Sisko diced with prophets, religion, Cardassians and Klingons and helped bring the Federation to war with the Dominion. Yes he carried himself off well but he could've have asked 'Is this someone's backyard?' when he went into the Gamma Quadrant. Not to mention he did have Starfleet resources to back him up - enhancements to the station's security anyone! Janeway did not have that. If she wanted help she had to get get it - well from the Borg. So I think give her a break. For that matter Archer too. The two of them had more riding on them than the others in terms of their ficticious crews and the franchise.
This came up in another thread and while it's not my idea the other poster didn't mind if I do a poll so here goes.
It's pretty simple. Do you like Janeway and are you male or female?
No, there's not an option for those who don't care one way or the other. It's not that we don't care about you - we're just not interested right now.
You should have put that option in.
Since you didn't, I voted "no," even though that's not completely accurate.
But I'm not a Janeway-gusher-OMG-my-favorite-captain! And I don't mind the current developments in Trek Lit, so I figured "no" was closer to my opinion than "yes."
What the hell?
I'd also have been interested in an out of HIS depth, Captain, too. Sisko was a little when he first arrived on DS9. I found him interesting, too.
You don't need to be well-rounded to captain some ships, do you?
And Brit, I would kindly thank you not to put words in my mouth.
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