She wouldn't have to. Crew members could get married on a planet or choose someone else to officiate.
POLL: Chakotay - Seven or Janeway
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She wouldn't have to. Crew members could get married on a planet or choose someone else to officiate.
I just wonder if it's still considered a legal marriage if it happens outside Federation controlled space and by someone that it's a Starfleet officer?
There may be some legal paperwork involved to have it recognized by the Federation but I imagine you could get married on any planet you chose.
Maybe but do you think you can still be legally married by someone not sanctioned by Starfleet/Federation? Where you get married wasn't so much the issue as much as by whom.
I'm thinking marriage as an institution would probably have evolved quite a bit given Roddenberry's idea of "temporary contracts" that he described in the novelization of the first TOS movie.
Assuming a complete "separation of church and state" you can enter into any spiritual union you want but may or may not want the Federation to recognize a legal contract for a number of years. For example, Kirk had a "one year contract" with a woman that they opted not to "renew" before he left earth in the first movie.
Given that bit saying that C/7 were "married" would not mean the same in the Trek universe as it would to us today.
Ok, I guess that sounds reasonable.
Gene was quite the old swinger, wasn't he? Honestly, I sometimes find it hard to like the guy.
His vision aside, I'm pretty sure some people in the 24th century would have precisely the same idea of "marriage" as many of us do now. Some wouldn't, but then again, some people now think of marriage as a temporary thing.
His vision aside, I'm pretty sure some people in the 24th century would have precisely the same idea of "marriage" as many of us do now. Some wouldn't, but then again, some people now think of marriage as a temporary thing.
Exactly. I think Gene's idea was "hey, why pretend otherwise?". You can just keep renewing if you want to stay together - otherwise both go your own way based on the terms of the contract.
Not very romantic but then neither is a messy divorce.
I dunno...I like to think that good intentions count for something, and if all you have good intentions for is one year...
Well, yuck. Oh, well. I'll be long gone by then, so we'll let the folks in the future figure it out for themselves. Isn't that gracious and tolerant of me?
Well, yuck. Oh, well. I'll be long gone by then, so we'll let the folks in the future figure it out for themselves. Isn't that gracious and tolerant of me?
Ever watch AMC's "Mad Men"?
Gene's attitude toward sex and marriage was just a sign of the times for his generation. Were talking about an era where it was expect for your secretary to sit on your lap while taking "dictations" while drinking scotch.
We're already there. When my niece got married a few years back, she briefly considered having my son get himself "ordained" online to do the ceremony. When he checked it out, the ordination process was pretty much a joke. And just how "ordained" do you think those people are out in Vegas and Reno who do drive-through weddings? All of them are recognized as legal, too. I'm thinking that if you bring back a marriage certificate from some planet where you were legally married, the Federation would recognize it.
There were men - quite a few of them, actually - who didn't expect their secretaries to sit on their laps even back then. I was alive back then, though not anywhere close to "secretary" age, but I can assure you that not even close to every young working woman spent her off hours as her boss' mistress.
I can't speak for every young working woman in Gene's life, of course. Poor things. It's nice of you to try to excuse him, Exodus, but the plain fact is, he didn't do that stuff (assuming the rumors we've heard are true) because it was expected of him. He did it because he wanted to. He liked it. It's as simple as that.
I can't speak for every young working woman in Gene's life, of course. Poor things. It's nice of you to try to excuse him, Exodus, but the plain fact is, he didn't do that stuff (assuming the rumors we've heard are true) because it was expected of him. He did it because he wanted to. He liked it. It's as simple as that.
Well, some of us are already there. Not all of us. Not sure of the statistical breakdown, but I would guess that most people take marriage itself pretty seriously even if they don't take the ceremony seriously.
I agree. I was thinking pretty much the same thing, but I got all diverted thinking about Gene's little notions.
That's fine and good.
IMO how the man lived in his personal life isn't my business.
I wouldn't want anybody speculating and judging mine, just like I believe you wouldn't want the same for yours. I excuse him because it's not my business. That's between him and his wife. I guess I'm just old fashioned in that way.
Well, gee, we are talking about at least a couple of different things here:
1. Do I have a right to judge his personal relationship with his wives or and lady friends? Nope. I do not. That's their personal business.
2. Do I have a right to think he's a slimeball if he forced subordinates to have sex with him - you know, the old casting-couch routine? Yep. Mind you, I'm not saying he did - I don't know. But if he did, and there was good evidence about it, you're damn right I'm going to judge him, and my judgements will not be kind. I wouldn't expect any different if it were me acting like a slimeball.
3. Do I have a right to decide that his vision of temporary marriage is not one that I hope to see for humanity? Of course I do. You have a right to judge it, too. That view, unlike his relationships with wives and lady friends, is open for public discussion. He opened it for public discussion by bringing it up publicly.
1. Do I have a right to judge his personal relationship with his wives or and lady friends? Nope. I do not. That's their personal business.
2. Do I have a right to think he's a slimeball if he forced subordinates to have sex with him - you know, the old casting-couch routine? Yep. Mind you, I'm not saying he did - I don't know. But if he did, and there was good evidence about it, you're damn right I'm going to judge him, and my judgements will not be kind. I wouldn't expect any different if it were me acting like a slimeball.
3. Do I have a right to decide that his vision of temporary marriage is not one that I hope to see for humanity? Of course I do. You have a right to judge it, too. That view, unlike his relationships with wives and lady friends, is open for public discussion. He opened it for public discussion by bringing it up publicly.
Seriously, is this really an issue we need to discuss?
If they recognise Kurns religious freedom to let his brother assist his suicide, and lwaxanna's right to marry and bury half the men in the cosmos, anywhere should be fine.
However!
The maquis were told that they were imagining their arms of rights if they thought they could just walk away from federation Citizenship if they were going to be bastards so close to home.
So, they might recognize any marriage, but would they recognize every method of divorce? Which is important once you considering living arrangements, children and assets.
The marriage contract was used in earth 2 to some humour. Dude we were in cold storage fro 20 years. Our two year contract is so damn over... meanwhile the ferengi seem to take the entire birthing proccess as a leasing subject, that every pregnancy is a surrogacy(?).
However!
The maquis were told that they were imagining their arms of rights if they thought they could just walk away from federation Citizenship if they were going to be bastards so close to home.
So, they might recognize any marriage, but would they recognize every method of divorce? Which is important once you considering living arrangements, children and assets.
The marriage contract was used in earth 2 to some humour. Dude we were in cold storage fro 20 years. Our two year contract is so damn over... meanwhile the ferengi seem to take the entire birthing proccess as a leasing subject, that every pregnancy is a surrogacy(?).
Chakotay has good looks and charm, but he was not written or acted to his best advantage. I'm not sure he's anyone's dreamboat as we see him on the screen. Most fanfic I read has to deepen or flesh out his character to make him more desirable. However, for some, good looks and charm are enough! 
