Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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OK, just because I was curious... I went looking for statistics on a few things regarding posts in Lit about Janeway's death. Here's what I got.
Of the threads with the most posts in them from the last 75 days threads dealing specifically with Janeway's death are 4 of the top five. (Cast characters being number 1) Those four threads have the following counts:
1000, 820 (this thread), 786, and 735 for a total of 3341 posts.
Then there are the threads that aren't specific to Janeway's death but have a goodly number of posts in them about it:
Janeway and Gender Poll: 345
How we deal with death: 316
Full Circle Extract in STM 16: 133
Full Circle Prologue on Amazon: 133
Just Finished Before Dishonor: 124
Full Circle Review Thread: 105
For a grand total of 4497.
And the number of unique posters (no I didn't count these) probably doesn't go much over 25 people. I kinda wish there was an easy way to figure out how many times each person contributed to them, it'd be interesting (to me anyway).
Of the threads with the most posts in them from the last 75 days threads dealing specifically with Janeway's death are 4 of the top five. (Cast characters being number 1) Those four threads have the following counts:
1000, 820 (this thread), 786, and 735 for a total of 3341 posts.
Then there are the threads that aren't specific to Janeway's death but have a goodly number of posts in them about it:
Janeway and Gender Poll: 345
How we deal with death: 316
Full Circle Extract in STM 16: 133
Full Circle Prologue on Amazon: 133
Just Finished Before Dishonor: 124
Full Circle Review Thread: 105
For a grand total of 4497.
And the number of unique posters (no I didn't count these) probably doesn't go much over 25 people. I kinda wish there was an easy way to figure out how many times each person contributed to them, it'd be interesting (to me anyway).
Wow. Amazing job, LS. 25 people, repeating the same things over and over and over again. So much for the ever-growing ground swell of Janeway supporters. 25 people. That's really gonna kick Pocket Books in the nads. 
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Well, if you look at the reviews of Full Circle on Amazon.com you'll see that even those who read the book and like it think Janeway should or will make a return in the future. There are also other forums that I post on where people think Janeway will come back somewhere down the line.Wow. Amazing job, LS. 25 people, repeating the same things over and over and over again. So much for the ever-growing ground swell of Janeway supporters. 25 people. That's really gonna kick Pocket Books in the nads.
I know that at this time, Pocketbooks has no plan to resurrect her, but it's not like the only support Janeway has is the 25 members of this site.
Wow. Amazing job, LS. 25 people, repeating the same things over and over and over again. So much for the ever-growing ground swell of Janeway supporters. 25 people. That's really gonna kick Pocket Books in the nads.
Just because you count twenty five doesn't mean that there are only twenty five people. I know many Janeway fans that will not come on this board, will not post on this board because of the way Janeway fans are treated. The Trek BBS is not the only board nor is it the only "Trek" community.
LS can only count the posters here, not on other boards and especially not on the private ones.
Dark Gilligan, you just go on beliving that, I really want you to.
Brit
^^ Brit, you crack me up. You take this Janeway nonsense so seriously. The numbers of people who frequent boards like this one are marginal at best. Insignificant. In the real world you and I and and everyone else here are just bits of data that don't really matter very much, certainly not to Pocket Books. Do you always take verbal irony so literally? You'd think someone who reads romance novels would have a broader perspective on what "fantasy" is. Oh well, continue to live with your bodice-busting tomes, where all men are manly and admire the cut of a good woman's jib. 
PS... I believe LS's number of 25-something includes the Janeway militants as well as those who take an opposite view. That means there are even less of you than you thought.
PS... I believe LS's number of 25-something includes the Janeway militants as well as those who take an opposite view. That means there are even less of you than you thought.
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^^ Brit, you crack me up. You take this Janeway nonsense so seriously. The numbers of people who frequent boards like this one are marginal at best. Insignificant. In the real world you and I and and everyone else here are just bits of data that don't really matter very much, certainly not to Pocket Books. Do you always take verbal irony so literally? You'd think someone who reads romance novels would have a broader perspective on what "fantasy" is. Oh well, continue to live with your bodice-busting tomes, where all men are manly and admire the cut of a good woman's jib.
PS... I believe LS's number of 25-something includes the Janeway militants as well as those who take an opposite view. That means there are even less of you than you thought.
I think that your comments to Brit and other Janeway fans are rude and insulting. Those comments in your post about "romance novels" and such were totally unnecessary.
You dismiss the number of the fans as small and unimportant, only because of some statistics you pick out from this particular forum.
I could easily say that it's the other way around, that the number of "author worshippers" and those who want Janeway dead are a small minority compared to all the fans "out there" of which a majority seem to want Janeway back.
Mind you, not all Janeway fans post on this forum.
I have discussed this issue on some other forums as well. Two of them have a certain amount of angry Janeway fans. One of those fans is posting here.
The only evidence we got is that a small majority of those who have voted on this forum, about 55% of those who have voted here seem to prefer a dead Janeway and that probably includes many voters who don't read the books, who have no interest in Voyager whatsoever but happens to dislike the series and dislike Janeway and therefore jumps in just to cast a vote against her.
What we do know is that there is a large amount of potential buyers of the books who are angry and upset over the annihilation of Janeway, Now, why do I call them "potential buyers of the books"? Because if they didn't care about the Pocket Books, they wouldn't bother to comment the annihilation of Janeway, thet would just write something about "the books not being canon and who cares about them". The amount of protests and angry comments shows an interest for the books which Pocket Books can't neglect.
As for your comments about "In the real world you and I and and everyone else here are just bits of data that don't really matter very much, certainly not to Pocket Books" then you dismiss the importance of people raising their voices to protest and create changes whichg is also wrong. History has showed us that protests and actions against unpopular political decisions have had a significant importance. Just look what happened in the Soviet Union.
If the people at Pocket Books are smart (which I do think they are, oterwise they shouldn't be where they are today), then they should consider bringing Janeway back because I do think that it is in their interest not to alienate a large amount of potential book buyers.
Wrong again! I'm all for changes when they are positive. But I often do react badly to negative changes.
Sometimes changing things just for the sake of changing things (like when a sports team loses half of their fan community because those in charge change the logo or traditional colors just for the sake of changing) aren't that smart either.
Just click on the number of posts in a thread on the Trek Literature forum page and you get a list of contributors to the thread (including how many post they have made).
Well, isn't that just a frightening little set of statistics.....
After Dayton's post the post distribution of this thread was:
Total Posts: 830
Lynx 85
Thrawn 68
Therin of Andor 53
Gorf 32
Trent Roman 31
JustKate 31
JoeZhang 31
Dark Gilligan 30
JB2005 26
Paris 23
blitz 23
joyofvgr 22
BillJ 17
rfmcdpei 15
Praetor 14
teya 13
captcalhoun 13
JD 12
Hartzilla2007 12
Brit 11
ClayinCA 11
Lonemagpie 11
neogothboy74 11
Steve Roby 10
Saito S 10
LaBarre 10
kimc 9
Turtletrekker 9
Dayton Ward 9
shanejayell 8
Bob The Skutter 8
LightningStorm 8
Octavia 7
MilitantJaneway 7
ronny 6
Tachyon 6
Aaron McGuire 6
Kirsten Beyer 6
Babaganoosh 6
AuntKate 6
Captain Gandalf 5
Dimesdan 5
Gotham Central 5
Trek 5
Defcon 5
USS_Triumphant 4
Takomaguy 4
crohnie 4
SiorX 4
oldstredshrtevr 3
Gates 3
SStar 3
Rosalind 3
Strider 3
Baerbel Haddrell 3
Elemental 2
IrritatingGameOfChess 2
K-Star 2
CommanderTroi 2
Starship Polaris 2
Daikirai 2
Mysterion 2
Wally 2
USS Intrepid 1
Pegaritaville 1
JAG 1
Kira Nerys 1
hellsgate 1
PaulSimpson 1
Square 1
Jaron 1
James Swallow 1
Mriana 1
Tino 1
The Super Brando 1
Enterpriserules 1
dave_R_treker 1
Astraea 1
tiedyedphoenix 1
P0sitr0nic 1
aelius 1
StCoop 1
belle paris 1
pookha 1
Daddy Todd 1
davidant32 1
leola 1
Jacopo 1
auntiem933 1
Ktrek 1
Marie1 1
Rig Reiley 1
Total Posts: 830
Lynx 85
Thrawn 68
Therin of Andor 53
Gorf 32
Trent Roman 31
JustKate 31
JoeZhang 31
Dark Gilligan 30
JB2005 26
Paris 23
blitz 23
joyofvgr 22
BillJ 17
rfmcdpei 15
Praetor 14
teya 13
captcalhoun 13
JD 12
Hartzilla2007 12
Brit 11
ClayinCA 11
Lonemagpie 11
neogothboy74 11
Steve Roby 10
Saito S 10
LaBarre 10
kimc 9
Turtletrekker 9
Dayton Ward 9
shanejayell 8
Bob The Skutter 8
LightningStorm 8
Octavia 7
MilitantJaneway 7
ronny 6
Tachyon 6
Aaron McGuire 6
Kirsten Beyer 6
Babaganoosh 6
AuntKate 6
Captain Gandalf 5
Dimesdan 5
Gotham Central 5
Trek 5
Defcon 5
USS_Triumphant 4
Takomaguy 4
crohnie 4
SiorX 4
oldstredshrtevr 3
Gates 3
SStar 3
Rosalind 3
Strider 3
Baerbel Haddrell 3
Elemental 2
IrritatingGameOfChess 2
K-Star 2
CommanderTroi 2
Starship Polaris 2
Daikirai 2
Mysterion 2
Wally 2
USS Intrepid 1
Pegaritaville 1
JAG 1
Kira Nerys 1
hellsgate 1
PaulSimpson 1
Square 1
Jaron 1
James Swallow 1
Mriana 1
Tino 1
The Super Brando 1
Enterpriserules 1
dave_R_treker 1
Astraea 1
tiedyedphoenix 1
P0sitr0nic 1
aelius 1
StCoop 1
belle paris 1
pookha 1
Daddy Todd 1
davidant32 1
leola 1
Jacopo 1
auntiem933 1
Ktrek 1
Marie1 1
Rig Reiley 1
I'm adding this post just to jack with your stats
I'm adding this post just to jack with your stats
Actually they were already outdated as of my previous post.
And in case anybody is curious, that's 92 unique posters in this thread alone. (Not that such statistics are anything more than a curiosity.)
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
and because I was curious too, I tallied the number of posts people made. of all the none-FC threads (that's the four main ones mentioned above, Janeway and Gender, deal with death, and finished Before Dishonor), I got the top 10 posters...
ready for this?
Thrawn 405
Lynx 306
Therin of Andor 282
Gorf 161
kimc 139
Hartzilla2007 138
Trent Roman 125
Brit 94
JoeZhang 92
Dimesdan 88
captcalhoun just missed out on 82 posts so far.
and 25 people posted 50+ posts in all these threads (so LS's estimate isnt too far off), 48 posted 20+ posts, and 69 posted 10+ in all threads. 192 unique posters have posted in all these threads. the top 20 people posted 2538 posts out of ~4100 from all threads, so LS's estimate isn't too far off at all.
Nice! Reason #184 why VBulletin owns all. 
You'd think someone who reads romance novels would have a broader perspective on what "fantasy" is. Oh well, continue to live with your bodice-busting tomes, where all men are manly and admire the cut of a good woman's jib.
I don't just think, I know that the people that write and produce romance have broad knowledge and insight to the production of any and all fiction ,bar non.
Just your phrase "bodice-busting tomes" is a big sign of your lack of knowledge. Romance cuts across all genre, from science fiction romance to yes the bodice-bursting historicals.
The publishers and authors do not trust to one or two message boards, Harlequine has their own blogs and forums, Ellora's Cave has a yahoo message group with over three thousand members and hundreds of thousands of posts. "Romantic Times" book review magazine has blogs and forums. There are video trailers for books and there are podcasts.
Romance authors and readers blog, they network and because of it they know what readers want to read and exactly why they want to read it. Well respected authors give free writing tips. Jacqueline Lichtenberg's (one of the founders of the Trek Fandom) essays on world building, alone are worth reading the "alienromance" blog.
http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/
There is also "The Galaxy Express" http://www.thegalaxyexpress.net/
The current subject there is why did the Leia/Han romance work and the Anakin/Padme romance didn't.
There is "The Spacefreighter's Lounge", "Romancing the Blog", "Smart Bitches/Trashy Books" etc. etc.
"Romancing the Blog" actually had a post this week on why sudden changes in the direction of series books often led to readers' outrage.
http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2009/04/01/readers-want-what-they-want/#comments
Just because you would like to discount me by using hack phrases, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. And trying to discount a genre that outsells all other fiction novels put together, doesn't help your argument either.
Like I said just go on believing that, because you see if you don't take us seriously then we win because there are far more than twenty-five, and if you take us seriously and actually go out there and look you will find we were right in the first place. I win either way.
Brit
i missed out because several times I've bit my metaphorical tongue and not posted. and also because i've got several people on ignore...
Pocket isn't going to change their plans just because you and others complain about them on a message board. How many times does this have to be repeated?
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