And I only have 30% of that list on my ignore list. I was expecting that value to be higher...
Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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And I only have 30% of that list on my ignore list. I was expecting that value to be higher...
http://savejaneway.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=books&action=display&thread=5
Mmmh, in my world 5 is less than 25.
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I would like to address the Janeway's death is not Star Trek complaint.
The Fans don't own Star Trek nor do they don't make it. So the fans really don't have a say in what makes it Star Trek. So stop acting like Eugene Wesley "Gene" Roddenberry himself came back from the grave and appointed you all knowing god figure of what is and what isn't Trek, becuase all you have is an OPINION NOT A FACT HANDED DOWN BY GOD HIMSELF.
sorry for the rant but I am sick and tired of the "true fans" thinking they have some knowledge on what is or isn't Star Trek that the actual people who own and make it do not.
The Fans don't own Star Trek nor do they don't make it. So the fans really don't have a say in what makes it Star Trek. So stop acting like Eugene Wesley "Gene" Roddenberry himself came back from the grave and appointed you all knowing god figure of what is and what isn't Trek, becuase all you have is an OPINION NOT A FACT HANDED DOWN BY GOD HIMSELF.
sorry for the rant but I am sick and tired of the "true fans" thinking they have some knowledge on what is or isn't Star Trek that the actual people who own and make it do not.
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Actually I do have some knowledge. One of my dearest friends is a professional romance novelist, has been for more than ten years. Not fanfic... the real thing. And yet dispite that debilitating character flaw I still like her anyway. That's what friends do.
PS... I myself am a published author of short stories (mostly SF, a couple of slipstream), so I kinda know about that too.
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Hysterical, Brit.
I know many professional writers, both those successful only in the romance genre and those successful in non fiction, romance and all the fiction genres. The idea that those who tend towards the romance genre have some magical, broader perspective than all the others is ludicrous. Writers write. They write from their own experiences, and/or they do research and write with imagination, based on keen observance of the humans around them.
and because I was curious too, I tallied the number of posts people made. of all the none-FC threads (that's the four main ones mentioned above, Janeway and Gender, deal with death, and finished Before Dishonor), I got the top 10 posters...
ready for this?
Thrawn 405
Lynx 306
Therin of Andor 282
Gorf 161
kimc 139
Hartzilla2007 138
Trent Roman 125
Brit 94
JoeZhang 92
Dimesdan 88
captcalhoun just missed out on 82 posts so far.
and 25 people posted 50+ posts in all these threads (so LS's estimate isnt too far off), 48 posted 20+ posts, and 69 posted 10+ in all threads. 192 unique posters have posted in all these threads. the top 20 people posted 2538 posts out of ~4100 from all threads, so LS's estimate isn't too far off at all.
That means that just over a third of my total posts since registering here have been in these threads.
Yeeah. Think it might be time to let this one rest.
(Oh, who am I kidding... I'm sure I'll be back. Like a moth to a flame...)
Wow, ummm... overreact much.You'd think someone who reads romance novels would have a broader perspective on what "fantasy" is. Oh well, continue to live with your bodice-busting tomes, where all men are manly and admire the cut of a good woman's jib.
I don't just think, I know that the people that write and produce romance have broad knowledge and insight to the production of any and all fiction ,bar non.
Just your phrase "bodice-busting tomes" is a big sign of your lack of knowledge. Romance cuts across all genre, from science fiction romance to yes the bodice-bursting historicals.
The publishers and authors do not trust to one or two message boards, Harlequine has their own blogs and forums, Ellora's Cave has a yahoo message group with over three thousand members and hundreds of thousands of posts. "Romantic Times" book review magazine has blogs and forums. There are video trailers for books and there are podcasts.
Romance authors and readers blog, they network and because of it they know what readers want to read and exactly why they want to read it. Well respected authors give free writing tips. Jacqueline Lichtenberg's (one of the founders of the Trek Fandom) essays on world building, alone are worth reading the "alienromance" blog.
http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/
There is also "The Galaxy Express" http://www.thegalaxyexpress.net/
The current subject there is why did the Leia/Han romance work and the Anakin/Padme romance didn't.
There is "The Spacefreighter's Lounge", "Romancing the Blog", "Smart Bitches/Trashy Books" etc. etc.
"Romancing the Blog" actually had a post this week on why sudden changes in the direction of series books often led to readers' outrage.
http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2009/04/01/readers-want-what-they-want/#comments
Just because you would like to discount me by using hack phrases, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. And trying to discount a genre that outsells all other fiction novels put together, doesn't help your argument either.
Like I said just go on believing that, because you see if you don't take us seriously then we win because there are far more than twenty-five, and if you take us seriously and actually go out there and look you will find we were right in the first place. I win either way.
Brit
You may have some points here.
But don't forget that without fans, there would be no books, no movies, no TV series and no Star Trek at all.
It was the interest and the loyalty of the fans which kept Star Trek alive when narrow-minded "people in suits" decided to cancel the TV series in the 60.s.
Just sit down and think about how many TV series and book series which has been cancelled because of fans abandoning them.
If I was in charge of a company which is making books, TV series or movies, then I would do my best not to insult the fans or alienate groups of fans because it can be devastating in the long run.
and because I was curious too, I tallied the number of posts people made. of all the none-FC threads (that's the four main ones mentioned above, Janeway and Gender, deal with death, and finished Before Dishonor), I got the top 10 posters...
ready for this?
Thrawn 405
Lynx 306
Therin of Andor 282
Gorf 161
kimc 139
Hartzilla2007 138
Trent Roman 125
Brit 94
JoeZhang 92
Dimesdan 88
captcalhoun just missed out on 82 posts so far.
and 25 people posted 50+ posts in all these threads (so LS's estimate isnt too far off), 48 posted 20+ posts, and 69 posted 10+ in all threads. 192 unique posters have posted in all these threads. the top 20 people posted 2538 posts out of ~4100 from all threads, so LS's estimate isn't too far off at all.
I do think that we who are on the list can consider ourselves as the "Elite Force" right now!
Not provable. Most TV shows sign actors to five-year contracts, and tie-in licences specify a short time frame for the money paid, in which to publish two to four novel follow-ups to many new TV shows. It's only the high-selling books that turn into a publishing juggernaut.
Fans who buy ST novels are known to number less than 1% of audience share.
I only have 22 posts on this subject. I'm not even in the top ten. I guess I have to step it up.
BRING JANEWAY BACK
JANEWAY ROCKS
VOYAGER WITHOUT JANEWAY ISN'T VOYAGER
HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US?!?!
And then you would never be able to do anything, because no matter what you do you will be insulting and/or alienating some fans.
Well it will be interesting to compare that thread with the one that's created after Pocket offs Picard.
Well it will be interesting to compare that thread with the one that's created after Pocket offs Picard.
There will be the same (maybe more) melodrama for sure, but that not means that such melodrama is warranted. They're fictional characters in a fictional environment, it's not as if the authors went to Mulgrew's,or in your example Stewart's, home and put a bullet through their head.
Well, in that case they should be very careful to annoy the fans they have.
Actually TV series and Book set made because they have viewers and readers and only a small proportion of these are fans (i.e. those who discuss them long after their release). If viewers (or readers) decided to stop watching (or reading) there is normally very little that the fans can do to stop the series getting cancelled (with a few notable exceptions, and even then it normaly on gets a stay of exicution). Most viewers/readers just shrug their shoulders and move on to the next thing.
This is why the new film isn't being made just for the fans, because if it was it wouldn't make any money.
A lost word did give that sentence the wrong meaning.
It should have been: "Well, in that case they should be very careful not to annoy the fans they have."
It was early in the morning when I wrote it. Obviously I wasn't awake.
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