Plot Revealed..MAJOR SPOILERS
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Uh, that was the plot to a TNG script I was writing back in 1992. The Romulans use the Guardian of Forever to go back and kill Cochrane so the Feds don't get warp drive.
Unfortunately that was made into First Contact, kinda.
Reading this plot makes me shake my head in amazement...
Sounds good to me. :thumbsup:
I like it as well
I can't see why. I came up with the story idea on my own.
Maybe the Romulans invade the Guardian planet intending to use it to change something totally unrelated to Kirk, but Starfleet won't relinquish the planet so easily and their counter-attack prevents Nero and his team from jumping through the Guardian at the moment they were supposed to. They find themselves in the wrong place and time for their original mission but still able to inflict some damage on targets of opportunity, like Kirk's father or Kirk himself.
Presumably, Spock is on the Guardian planet at the time and is therefore insulated from the temporal changes. He then takes it upon himself to follow the Romulans into the past and prevent them from killing Kirk's father, which he does, but upon returning through the Guardian he discovers the timeline is still screwed up. Apparently Nero and his gang survived to cause trouble years later when Pike was in command of the Enterprise and Spock himself was a junior bridge officer. Spock must travel back through the Guardian one more time, enlisting the help of his younger self to stop Nero once and for all.
That's my best theory to explain the rumors we've heard about different time periods and some of the casting choices, particularly the ages of some of the actors, that have been made.
And one more idea: Maybe after returning to his own time and confirming with the Guardian that almost everything[/i] has been set right, Spock starts to walk away but then pauses. We see a look pass across his face, a moment of internal conflict that slowly gives way to resolve and perhaps even a bit of irony. He turns back toward the Guardian and says, "Guardian, there is one more place and time I wish to visit: Approximately fifteen years ago on the planet... Veridian III."
Fanfare swells, fade out, credits roll.
Just a thought.
Presumably, Spock is on the Guardian planet at the time and is therefore insulated from the temporal changes. He then takes it upon himself to follow the Romulans into the past and prevent them from killing Kirk's father, which he does, but upon returning through the Guardian he discovers the timeline is still screwed up. Apparently Nero and his gang survived to cause trouble years later when Pike was in command of the Enterprise and Spock himself was a junior bridge officer. Spock must travel back through the Guardian one more time, enlisting the help of his younger self to stop Nero once and for all.
That's my best theory to explain the rumors we've heard about different time periods and some of the casting choices, particularly the ages of some of the actors, that have been made.
And one more idea: Maybe after returning to his own time and confirming with the Guardian that almost everything[/i] has been set right, Spock starts to walk away but then pauses. We see a look pass across his face, a moment of internal conflict that slowly gives way to resolve and perhaps even a bit of irony. He turns back toward the Guardian and says, "Guardian, there is one more place and time I wish to visit: Approximately fifteen years ago on the planet... Veridian III."
Fanfare swells, fade out, credits roll.
Just a thought.
Considering all the trouble that damned Guardian causes, you'd think somebody would level it with a cannon before it destroys their canon.
Don't make the Guardian angry. You wouldn't like it when it's angry.
After a couple of disappointing films, out comes the "time travel" plot that seems to being in the great unwashed. No not US (this time), but the non-fans. And, like TVH and FC, there will be plot holes aplenty, because any time travel plot like this can be too easily shot down. There are too many variables.
Why waste time on killing Kirk's father? Why not stop the formation of the Federation? Or kill Shinzon? He did more to fuck up the Romulans than anyone.
Kirk was crucial to the formation of the federation? I was pretty sure it existed before he showed up. Killing Kirk will just put another captain in his place.
Romulans? Thorn? Cripes, Kirk ran into them, like, three times. Seems to me that the Klingons would have a bigger problem with him. Or the Feeders of Vaal.
So, how is this gonna play out? Kirk going blithely about his business, while Romulans skulk about trying to do him in? Yet, every time they try, Spock secretly stops each attempt.
"There's Kirk. When he opens the door, the can of paint will swing down and hit him in the nuts."
Door opens, Spock shouts from around the corner "Hey Kirk, you dad was a pussy!" Kirk runs to beat up the source of the insult and the paint can misses Kirk and heads right at the Romulans...
"Ah shit!"
"D'OH!"
Why waste time on killing Kirk's father? Why not stop the formation of the Federation? Or kill Shinzon? He did more to fuck up the Romulans than anyone.
Kirk was crucial to the formation of the federation? I was pretty sure it existed before he showed up. Killing Kirk will just put another captain in his place.
Romulans? Thorn? Cripes, Kirk ran into them, like, three times. Seems to me that the Klingons would have a bigger problem with him. Or the Feeders of Vaal.
So, how is this gonna play out? Kirk going blithely about his business, while Romulans skulk about trying to do him in? Yet, every time they try, Spock secretly stops each attempt.
"There's Kirk. When he opens the door, the can of paint will swing down and hit him in the nuts."
Door opens, Spock shouts from around the corner "Hey Kirk, you dad was a pussy!" Kirk runs to beat up the source of the insult and the paint can misses Kirk and heads right at the Romulans...
"Ah shit!"
"D'OH!"
Sounds like a cross between City on the Edge of Forever, the novel Killing Time and the aboortive TNG Return to Forever script. With shades of First Contact, The Terminator, Back to the Future and Harve Bennet's proposed STVI academy era script.
Not the most inspiring, but often execution is more important than premise. And the best Trek movies have followed on from tv episodes - TWOK/ Space Seed, FC/ best of Both Worlds. So while the plot doesn't necessarily excite me that much, I think Abrams may work magic with some of the details and scenes described.
Not the most inspiring, but often execution is more important than premise. And the best Trek movies have followed on from tv episodes - TWOK/ Space Seed, FC/ best of Both Worlds. So while the plot doesn't necessarily excite me that much, I think Abrams may work magic with some of the details and scenes described.
Well, let's see what some memorable Trek time travel stories have been:
"City On The Edge Of Forever"
"Yesterday's Enterprise"
"Trials And Tribbleations"
"Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"
"Star Trek: First Contact"
Clearly, nothing there that either fans liked or that was notably popular or successful with the general public. What are they thinking?
"City On The Edge Of Forever"
"Yesterday's Enterprise"
"Trials And Tribbleations"
"Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"
"Star Trek: First Contact"
Clearly, nothing there that either fans liked or that was notably popular or successful with the general public. What are they thinking?
This should reinforce by the way that this film will be within existing continuity from start to end. To end it outside of that would kill the stories jeopardy.
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