Plot Revealed..MAJOR SPOILERS
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If these rumours are true (and it seems they may well be) then it doesn't seem like Abrams has recognised the dramatic constraints that (IMHO) might make a limited resurrection of Star Trek financially justifiable.
In themselves, they inspire no image other than that of straightforward Space Opera in the mold of DS9, VOY and Stargate SG-1.
Then again, he's a successful screenwriter, I'm an anonymous idiot on a message board.
Well trekmovie has the story plot up so it must be true. Also this would be the reason Harlin Ellison is furious ith Paramount. If the guardian is being used as a scientific research lab then that would explain the spy photos of the guys wearing the white lab clothes and also explain the actors with TNG costumes with Military Boots on since the lab would be protected with a military presence. Expect a shoot out from the Romulans and Nero with them when they take over the facilty. This will explain Pikes role as Captain in the film along with yong Spock trying to keep Nero from carrying out his plot.Trekmovie.com also says we will be introduced Kirk as he is taking the Kobyashi Maru. Expect a good battle scene while he rescues the freighter witha reprogrammed similation to his favor. Wouldn't that be something if Garrovick was his teacher and Captain while Kirk completes the test at starfleet. We then see a scene with Kirk on the Farragut under Garrovick when they encounter the Vampire cloud. After Kirk takes command after Garrovick is killed battling cloud he heads the ship to starbase only to hear the enterprise call for help under Pike while doing battle with Nero and the Romulan Ships. Kirk helps defeat Nero and Pike is so impressed with his actions as a fresh officer reccomends him to take command of the ship at the end of the film with his handpicked crew. Sounds Good.
Rumor land for sure!... and that being the case... I wonder if Orci revealed a bit too much when he singled out “Balance of Terror” as a “touch point” for the creative team behind the movie. Could Nero be the son of the Romulan Commander from the aforementioned episode? Might he blame Kirk for the death of his father (ala Khan blaming Kirk for the death of his wife?)
Maybe Nero is furious that he can’t kill Kirk in his present (since he’s dead post “Generations”) so he finds out about the Guardian and invades the planet with his rogue team of mercenaries. Spock may be there studying the Guardian with other scientists… and he gets caught up in the action.
(yes I posted this at TrekMovie.com
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The issue with "Return to Forever" was more the Writers Guild strike of 1988 and Dorothy Fontana's departure from TNG than anything to do with Nimoy's deal. "Return to Forever" was supposed to open the second season. But the WGA strike stopped work on the second season scripts, and Fontana exited the series due to problems with Roddenberry's lawyer.
Thanks for that clarification. Is that from one of the writer/producer's memoirs?
DeafPoet said:
Kind of dove-tails nicely that this movie, possibly featuring the Guardian and certainly featuring Nimoy as Spock, began filming two days into the writer's strike 19 years later.
The Guardian would be pleased
The real question in my mind (if all of this rumor and speculation is true - a long shot, to be sure) is how soon until Dorothy and Harlan show up on Abrams' doorstep looking for blood and wanting their "based upon" credits?
After all, they are both the two writers responsible for bringing us the Guardian of Forever in the first place. First with Harlan and his majorly re-written "City" teleplay (for which he won a WGA award) and Dorothy's uncredited re-write of that teleplay and her "Yesteryear" teleplay and her apparently buried "Return to Tomorrow" teleplay.
Wasn't it Harlan who gave James Cameron a hard time with "The Terminator"?
IF the Guardian is involved. IF. One thing doesn't make sense. AICN said the Romulans ended up in Kirk's father's time by accident, and apparently the most mischief they could do when they realized where they were was to kill Kirk's father and prevent Kirk from ever being born.
Now this current rumor brings in the Guardian. That means the Romulans must've intended to mess with Kirk. I'd think if that was their INTENT, they'd do something less convoluted than try to prevent him from being born.
Time travel through the Guardian may not be precise to the second or day, but they could easily go back to about any time in Kirk's life and do the deed directly. Why deliberately go back to BEFORE he was born?
Just trying to reconcile these two rumors.
For what it's worth, this rumor is the first time a story about the movie made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
Now this current rumor brings in the Guardian. That means the Romulans must've intended to mess with Kirk. I'd think if that was their INTENT, they'd do something less convoluted than try to prevent him from being born.
Time travel through the Guardian may not be precise to the second or day, but they could easily go back to about any time in Kirk's life and do the deed directly. Why deliberately go back to BEFORE he was born?
Just trying to reconcile these two rumors.
For what it's worth, this rumor is the first time a story about the movie made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
Well it wouldn't necessarily be the Romulans' intent to end up when they did. Kirk, Spock and McCoy ended up where and when they did very much by circumstances beyond their choosing.
Then again, could be intentional. [mantra] At this point, who knows? [/mantra]
I bet we somehow see Kirks dad get killed bt the Rumulans but they dont realize Kirk has already been born.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. But Kirk and Spock were able to deliberately go back to within a few days of where McCoy ended up by accident. In the animated series, Spock was able to go back exactly to just before the time the child Spock faced his test.
I would think if they wanted to kill Kirk, they could end up SOMEWHERE in his lifetime to pull it off.
Of course, overall, your mantra is correct.
Sorry for the double post -- unless someone jumps in ahead of me. But one other thing crossed my mind.
At least in "City" and in "Yesteryear" the Guardian said that if the event which upset the timeline was corrected, then all would go back to how it was meant to me.
Keep Kirk from being killed (or his father), and all is hunky dory. No parallel timeline. No altered future.
Unless Romulans are flooding different times with assassins of Kirk and/or his father, all that's required is to find where the timeline was breached, and correct that breach. Do that, and everything restores itself. The first reset button.
(Sure, Spock lost his selot (sp?) the second time around. But "Yesteryear" is not technically canon, and that was a very small change in events.)
At least in "City" and in "Yesteryear" the Guardian said that if the event which upset the timeline was corrected, then all would go back to how it was meant to me.
Keep Kirk from being killed (or his father), and all is hunky dory. No parallel timeline. No altered future.
Unless Romulans are flooding different times with assassins of Kirk and/or his father, all that's required is to find where the timeline was breached, and correct that breach. Do that, and everything restores itself. The first reset button.
(Sure, Spock lost his selot (sp?) the second time around. But "Yesteryear" is not technically canon, and that was a very small change in events.)
I was thinking the same damn thing.
Hell, if you believe the books, Captain Harriman (yes, that Harriman) was a bigger thorn in the Romulans' side.
There's an article about Tracy Torme here in which he talks about it. However, I'd always heard that it was Dorothy Fontana that was involved, not Torme.
Curious.
In any event, the article does have a summary of what "Return to Forever" would have been, and how the Spocks of two eras would meet.
I like this plot. At least it doesn't totally upend Trek with a potentially crappy reimagining. It appears to stay within established canon. It also features a Romulan villian and the Guardian of Forever, which is a plausible-for Trek anyway-plot device. I'm glad JJ is looking to other Trek shows/movies besides TWOK for inspiration.
So far, the casting hasn't been too bad either. My trepidation about this film is receding. It would be nice though to see Shatner as Kirk at least one last time, however, but if he's not in it it's not going to dampen my enjoyment. I wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the cast one more time either.
So far, the casting hasn't been too bad either. My trepidation about this film is receding. It would be nice though to see Shatner as Kirk at least one last time, however, but if he's not in it it's not going to dampen my enjoyment. I wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the cast one more time either.
