Plot holes.

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  1. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    How about the baby in "COLLECTIVE", from VOYAGER?

    Never referenced again in the series. But most importantly, not again after it was beamed to Sick Bay. Did it live? Die? Taken back to its home species?

    Seven had files on all 4 kids, but the baby was totally forgotten. And since the baby was important in a scene on the cube, and part of the plot of how their First couldn't take care of them or keep control... I call that a plot hole.
     
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  2. Swedish Borg

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    Aren't you confusing scripts and transcripts?
     
  3. Swedish Borg

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    Yes, that's definitely a plot hole! :techman:
     
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    The point of my post is that a plot hole is a vaguely applied term and people use it to mean different things and don't agree on, as your arguments demonstrate.

    He don't know me very well, do he?
     
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  7. Swedish Borg

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    Is that supposed to be clever?
     
  8. 1001001

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    You're awfully antagonistic, especially for a newbie.

    You need to dial it down a few notches.
     
  9. CorporalCaptain

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    On that, I agree wholeheartedly.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Either its homeworld was found, it went with the other Borg children (Mezoti, Rebi and Azan), or a Voyager crewmember adopted it.
     
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  11. Swedish Borg

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    Spock in TUC says that because the records had been modified on Enterprise then that means that the assassins had beamed on the Enterprise instead of the Klingon ship. That's not a plot hole, that's a lot of ooey! The fact that he happens to be right is due to pure luck not reasoning!!!

    He might as well have flipped a coin and said: "Heads, the assassins, and the gravity boots are here!":D

    So much for Vulcan "logic"...
     
  12. Swedish Borg

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    Sorry.
     
  13. NCC-73515

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    What happened to Barrash after the episode was over? Plot hole!
    What happened to DeSeve after the episode was over? Plot hole!
    What happened to the Equinox crewmen after the episode was over? Plot hole!
    ...Ridiculous! :guffaw:
     
  14. Swedish Borg

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    Well, for one thing, the Enterprise D is not at the other end of the galaxy, so Barrash and Deseve can be disembarked at a federation outpost or some planet friendly to the federation or transferred to another ship any time...
    The Equinox crewmen are part of a 150 ship's crew, there's no more reason to see them than any of the other crewmen, most of which we've never seen.

    A baby Borg on the other hand is something remarkable given that for nearly five years Naomi was the only kid on board.
     
  15. Locutus of Bored

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    Someone modified the Enterprise's databanks to make it look like they had fired two photon torpedoes when Scotty had visibly inspected that no torpedoes were missing from the ship's stores. That means that someone from the conspiracy was aboard the Enterprise to modify the databank.
     
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  16. Swedish Borg

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    But that someone wasn't even one of the assassins (it was Valeris) so there was no need for them to beam aboard the Enterprise. Spock's reasoning is inept and he was right only by pure accident and also because the deck was stacked by the writers in his favor.
     
  17. Swedish Borg

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    If the assassins had beamed aboard the Klingon ship the effect would have been the same and Spock would never have found any evidence to catch Valeris, at least not any evidence spoken of in the movie. In fact, it's what they should have done. It's like they did that just to give the Enterprise crew, clues to find them!!!
     
  18. CorporalCaptain

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    Actually, it was Valeris, one of the guilty parties, who posited that it was the gravity boots they should be looking for, and it was in her interest to point the finger at the assassins as the only guilty parties to avert suspicion from herself.

    Spock's logical dichotomy was simply [http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie6.html]:

    "According to our data banks this ship fired those torpedoes. If we did, the killers are here, if we did not, whoever altered the data banks is here. In either case, what we are looking for is here."​

    And that is perfectly logical.
     
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  19. fireproof78

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    Wasn't the point of the plot to continue the Klingon-Federation war, so having Starfleet officers do it was part of the conspiracy.
     
  20. CorporalCaptain

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    Yes, exactly. People wearing Starfleet spacesuits were seen by the Klingons beaming over and walking around in the Klingon ship with what the Klingons thought were magnetic boots.