You're obviously reading the movie the wrong way around. Nero only wanted to hurt Spock; he had other goals, but only as a consequence of this. Killing a few billion people was his way of achieving his main goal, not a military operation on its own right (because he wasn't a soldier).
I read the film just fine.
Regardless of what ever objective he had he clearly didn't intend on dieing due to his own ineptitude as part of the course.
Only if you remove Nero and place yourself as the villain of the story, with a completely different set of motivations and goals.
Goals which he can't decided on how to execute effectively.
Certainly there is no sense in thinking that a villain must kill everybody within his reach, save (most) henchmen.
All of the characters mentioned were direct threats to his objective to which he consistently allowed to live. Untill you come up with something else other than you interpreting in circles is a Plot Hole, after plot hole.
Definitely. But Nero does seem to think that he has either already done things to make the future better, or is on the path of completing that quest.
What you think the character thinks isn't admissible as part of the story. That you have to interpret that is the very revealing of the plot hole. The story teller failed to outline the character's personal reality.
I can't argue with somebody who doesn't type English, sorry. Try entire sentences next time.
If you can't identity English when you see it that's not my problem. I afford you all I'm willing to impart in that sentence for what you gave me.
A plot (unless it is a very primitive one) doesn't consist of a single cause and its effects 1 through n. It consists of multiple causes, multiple effects and multiple consequences, some of these amounting to story arcs, some not. Thus, there's nothing wrong with all our characters engaging in seemingly random a priori actions that define their characters and lead to plot developments.
Plots are decided from the objectives between the antagonist and the protagonist.
You argue that both of them are plot holes, which is unnecessary and just plain mean.
Not my concern. It is what is. A plot hole.
I am not required to chose which way is right or wrong thus both are wrong. That's the responsibility of the writer. That's how contradiction works.
Destroying things was obviously a goal, but just as obviously it wasn't a sole or primary goal.
I don't care what his "primary goal" was.
I merely behold the contradiction.
You're just trying to claim that it would be, because that creates "artificial plot holes" regarding Nero's treatment of Spock. But you're not entitled to that.
You're interpreting;Unlike you I don't assume to know what his "primary" goals are unless he says so and have made absolutely no claims to what goals are priority. It's your preoccupation which you are projecting onto myself.
Apparently not. Nothing I have postulated before has been derived from things that wouldn't have been visible or audible in the movie. It's quite possible that the movie had even more data the authors wanted the audience to "get", but certainly it had a sufficient load to cover a vast majority of your so-called "plot holes".
Interpret rather than derive.
That's how you're assiduously avoiding the plot holes.
Warp drive and transporters contain zero "thought", "reason" or "known scientific data", too. Beyond, of course, the thought that went into making them dramatically effective. A galaxy-endangering supernova in no way differs from the lot.
That was extremely sad...
Defense by hostage. It's so desperate and cowardly at the same time. Sorry they aren't alike. It's not like he modifiied it with the word subspace shock wave nova... You're just dense cause you can be. We know a Supernova will never threaten the entire Galaxy...it's not merely a plot device its a known quantity.
It's like saying a hurricane will threaten the world. It's just as stupid. Making up plot devices is one thing like warp fields and transporter...but that's not what he did. He said something stupid and you are desperately trying to defend it to my amusement...
You are no longer even being childish, you're getting infantile.
You were there long before I arrived.
The heroes face an enemy who points a big gun towards them, with everybody (including you) aware that if the gun goes off, the heroes die. And you think the movie fails to properly establish that the heroes can't start firing on the villain's weak point at that time?
Then die.
Die saving millions because the hand drill won't work anymore....(boo hoo) That the story mechanics he made and thus another plothole. Whatever happened to that FEAR in the FACE OF CERTAIN DEATH....
Timo your reasonings are you own don't expect me to share in your peculiar justifications of the tripe in the film.
And your argument is that there's a difference?
Of course there is. The Kelvin is rendered just as helpless as the Enterprise with the first volley!
Which highlights the problem quite well and further last longer than the 20 year newer ships.
You are quite entitled to childish bouts of rage.
I feel nothing...
You should really stop to think before you type in rage, as it would then be obvious to you that Nero can both "want prisoners" and "kill witnesses". It's even possible for the character to "eat" and "sleep" both! (Hint: he just doesn't do those at the same time.)
I still feel nothing....wait...
No still nothing.
This was your defense, Timo. It's so far removed from making sense I just don't care how you rationalize it. But I know it always starts with some interpretation which I have no use for
And that's a plot point rather than a plot hole: nuSpock is being an emotion-driven idiot. This is a key element in driving the plot forward, as oldSpock then prompts Kirk to strike back at Spock through this fact. So where's the problem?
You are so confused, Timo.
I didn't say it was a plot hole...not ever...
You are so driven to defend this film beyond rational standards. You joyfully leaped to this task. The words just ...blurr together for you. You must just be incest with the idea that someone has shot up your favorite film and left it to bleed out the stupidity. You need me to be enraged because that makes sense to you as to why I don't heap glowing approval and praise on your BELOVED....Get a grip man....It's just a movie.
Oh, okay, I get what you mean. But the stupidity doesn't detract from the plot,
I didn't say it detracted from anything other than it's intelligence.
Nothing prompts them to go, either. Vulcan is already destroyed. So your objection makes no sense - there isn't a scene where we should see Spock struggling towards the outpost but don't.
I beg to differ, your objection makes no sense.
Freezing temperatures is more than enough reason.
Why do you say it didn't work? Because it didn't work in your head? It worked in the movie just fine.
Yes, but it shouldn't have.
Throwing out your engine which is keeping you away from being swallowed is stupid.
(* save for the remarks and insults, but consider it a process of civil de-escalation: there's a lot less there than in your previous post, and I hope to keep reducing even further if I get a comparable response.)
Timo, your replies are sad. really sad. Granted you go through a lot of effort to come to them but your confusion and obsessiveness is over the top. But I'm giving you the rope and you decide when you're done choking.
I'm not a huge fan of popular movies mis-educating people when it comes to basic scientific principles.
That's what it comes down too...
MIS-EDUCATING PEOPLE...
