Why would Nero assume that Starfleet would not change the codes if the Enterprise had time to warn them? In TWok Spock acknowledged this as a possibility.
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Why would Nero assume that Starfleet would not change the codes if the Enterprise had time to warn them? In TWok Spock acknowledged this as a possibility.
Yeah, I added a remark about that. All I have to say about that is that lameness is not the same as a plot hole. Star Trek has always had an amount of lameness. This is about as lame as the Enterprise being the only ship in the quadrant. How many times have we heard that? These sorts of issues are unanswerable.
This is kind of funny.
Lol - but Nero could do that at any time while on the move just by sending a message to Romulus with the details of the supernova and scans of red matter.
Lol - but 'a wizard did it' isn't allowed in a nitpicking plot hole thread. Red card!
It is quite funny in TMP when Kirk says that the Enterprise (which isn't really finished) is the only vessel within interception range. A fleet of Klingon ships could fly to Earth and raze the place with only one vessel in interception range! Dumb as hay.
I really enjoyed the movie and I understand why they didn't want to get bogged down with minutiae but this is a nitpicking thread. Shrugging is not an option in here!
Aw, man, at least make it a yellow handkerchief.
If I'd had my druthers, the whole defense code problem would never have cropped up in the first place.
Why would Pike rank high enough to have defense codes that would allow him to approach Earth no matter what ship he is aboard? Why wouldn't Nero just be able to brush aside the defenses? It actually seems that the codes are a contrivance (i.e. a sort of MacGuffin) to slow the approach of his ship, in order to fit the rest of the plot in.
But OK, we have to buy it because they say so. They tell us that the wizard is making the defense codes necessary. For some reason Pike isn't court martialed for surrendering himself, the bearer of such codes, to Nero. (Or maybe it's off screen, and all is forgiven!) I guess Nero really thinned out the ranks at Vulcan!
Every version of Trek has its very own lame points. I do think that the new franchise has upped the ante on the number and scale of the things they are asking us to let slide though.
If Pike is on the verge of becoming a fleet captain he might have greater knowledge than the average captain and I suppose Nero might have been doing his research in the intervening 25 years. It's arguable but tenuous based on the information on screen (advanced borg tech might be able to hack Federation databases but that is non-canon).
I'd have been happier if Nero had gathered a motley crew of different scummy aliens during his exile and maybe some more ships to spread the threat and avoid making his one vessel so boringly all-powerful. As is, I'm not sure why Earth's defences should be of any concern to him if he can destroy 47 Klingon ships single handed followed by Vulcan's defences followed by a bunch of Vulcan ships followed by 7 Federation ships. Why waste time on Pike at all? If he does need to take out Earth's defences first, then the delay in getting to Earth would still have left him vulnerable to those defences with the changed codes and his vessel should be damaged by the time Enterprise turns up.
I can think of no reason why Earth would not be on alert with fresh defence codes unless we are expected to accept that our heroes are incompetent. If they were incompetent, why were they promoted to be in charge of their own ship at the end? It seems that Nero has his cake and eats it. You call it lameness, in this particular case, I call it a plot hole.
Anyone found an actual plot hole, yet?
Didn't think so.
Carry on.
Didn't think so.
Carry on.
We have no reason to belive that Nero destroyed any Vulcan ships. The distress call simply mentions seismic anomalies, no indication of ships being destroyed. The only debris we see is that of the Starfleet ships. Even with the Nadra being large enough that it should have been easily visible in the sky or shown up on sensors.
It would appear that Vulcan didn't have any sort of ship based defenses.
It would appear that Vulcan didn't have any sort of ship based defenses.
Nope. Issues, but no holes.
Yup.
Quoted for truth!
I don't mind discussing those stupid little things but they're not plot holes. Actually I thought all along the story was tightly written.
It relies entirely too much on coincidences but it's a fun, summer popcorn movie.
The Transformers movies are even more rediculous but they eat Star Trek for breakfast. Quality of story or plot is in no way an indicator of popularity. And that means "bums in seats". It can get all the awards in the world but if Joe Q Public isn't buying tickets it's a failure.
The Transformers movies are even more rediculous but they eat Star Trek for breakfast. Quality of story or plot is in no way an indicator of popularity. And that means "bums in seats". It can get all the awards in the world but if Joe Q Public isn't buying tickets it's a failure.
Obviously, it wouldn't be logical to waste resources on planetary defences or defensive ships so close to both the Klingon and Romulan borders when you can rely on the Federation's peacekeeping armada to have ships nearby.
Nero also overcame Earth's defences, it would appear, by obtaining the codes to turn the stop light at Jupiter to green. The fiend. The Federation never saw that one coming - BECAUSE THE ENTERPRISE FORGOT TO TELL THEM.
A lot of people really slagged of the second Transfomer movie but, apart from the confusing fight scenes at the end, I rather enjoyed it. It is possible to enjoy movies with ludicrous plots. Trek really was a big budget, successful popcorn movie but that doesn't mean we shouldn't laugh at its shortcomings. Moviemakers do have to be careful though. The Bourne movies were intelligent AND popular (the two concepts are not mutually exclusive) yet if they make a movie too silly and too insulting to the brain, we end up with Batman & Robin... A certain amount of critique is necessary to stop them meandering off the rails too much.
What I'm getting from this post is that Abrams was wrong to try to make Star Trek more like Star Wars. In order to truly succeed he should have tried to make it more like Transformers. They've already got the writers (Orzi and Kutzman) now they just need to replace Abrams with Bay or let him co-direct in order to make ST XII a complete success.
Regarding the Enterprise crew not warning Earth about its impending implosion, the plot doesn't require this to happen in order for Earth to be saved. All that is required is that the Enterprise catches up to the Narada before it can launch a red matter bomb. Which it does. By increasing speed to warp 4...
Perhaps the trajectory to the Laurentian system is almost parallel with a trajectory to Earth, so the Enterprise with Spock in command could have basically been paralleling the Narada at warp 3 before Kirk took over. Say, the Narada left at a heading of 195 mark 4 to get to Earth whereas the Enterprise had a heading of 200 mark 5 to get to the Laurentian system. So, all the Enterprise needs to do in order to catch up is increase speed and complete the triangle.
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