Plinkett is back

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You want a mirror of Luke's story?

Episode IV:
Luke, living on the desolate planet of Tatooine escapes with Obi-Wan after his aunt and uncles tragic death. He joins Obi-Wan in searching for Princess Leia, recuited into the rebellion, destroys the Death Star, and begins a journey into The Force.

Episode I:
Anakin, living as a slave on Tatooine wins his freedom in a Pod Race. Joining Obi-Wan and Qui Gon, Anakin helps the Jedi protect Queen Amidala, joins a raid on a greedy conglomerate's flagship, and destroys it. Anakin then begins a Jouney into The Force.

Luke and Anakin's story are very similar in Episodes I & IV. It's only in Episodes II & V where their paths start to drift to opposite ends of The Force. It would be interesting to watch the movies as follows: I IV II V III VI. Then you can get a better understanding of the story.

Except Luke clearly understood what was happening around him and was making conscious decisions that influenced events surrounding him. Luke was fighting for something he believed in and actively sought to accomplish his goals.

On the other hand, Anakin, in Episode I, was simply pushed around from here to there, was never in control of his own future, and contributed to the story purely by accident.

The Pod Race was just unnecessary filler as Qui-Gon could've easily found another dealer that did take Republic credits and then bartered for both Anakin and the parts for the ship.

How Anakin destroyed the Droid control ship was absolute non-sense. Ignoring the fact that a 3 foot child somehow found a tiny helmet and was able to fit into a fighter ship designed for adults, Anakin really had no clue what the hell he was doing.

 

[Mach5]

On the other hand, Anakin, in Episode I, was simply pushed around from here to there, was never in control of his own future, and contributed to the story purely by accident.

That was NO accident! That was TEH WILL OF TEH FORCE!

The Pod Race was just unnecessary filler

No, it was a video game commercial. Hell, tha game itself (SW: Racer) wasn't half bad.

How Anakin destroyed the Droid control ship was absolute non-sense. Ignoring the fact that a 3 foot child somehow found a tiny helmet

Jake Lloyd had a pretty big head for a 3 foot kid

Uhm, lets just say it was a women's helmet.

and was able to fit into a fighter ship designed for adults,

It was operated 100% manually, without any pedals too far for him to reach?

Anakin really had no clue what the hell he was doing.

Hi didn't need to have clue. He was only an agent in the hands of TEH FORCE!

Yes, the whole Anakin blows up the droid control ship thing is retarded beyond words.

All this shit could have been avoided if Lucas had the brains to make him a 16 year old prodigy with some serous piloting skills.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yes, the whole Anaking blows up the droid control ship thing is retarded beyond words.

The most retarded thing about it was that the main reactor core was just inside the main hangar.


Anakin, a Force-guided exceptional pilot, being able to fly the Naboo fighter wasn't so far fetched. Remember, Luke flying an X-Wing with no training and only with knowledge about some Hopper. That's probably like going from a double decker to an F-18. And we haven't seen Luke winning a high-speed race that no other human could even survive long enough (unlike Anakin).

 

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Anakin, a Force-guided exceptional pilot, being able to fly the Naboo fighter wasn't so far fetched. Remember, Luke flying an X-Wing with no training and only with knowledge about some Hopper. That's probably like going from a double decker to an F-18. And we haven't seen Luke winning a high-speed race that no other human could even survive long enough (unlike Anakin).

You know, I am willing to accept that Anakin is a force prodigy and can pilot a space fighter. Except that I simple can't ignore the size differences between Anakin and the rest of the Naboo fighter pilots.

Even assuming that there were absolutely no peddles for the short feet of a 3 foot tall boy to step on, there is no way his hands can reach the throttle stick AND be tied to the seat with any kind of harness. The rest of the fighter pilots are at least twice as big as Anakin, with arm length more than twice that of a 3 foot child. Anakin would either have to fly without a harness OR be tied down and not be able to reach anything else.

But then, not only was Anakin flying the fighter, he was doing all sorts of tricks (SPINNING) with enough g-force that would instantly kill any unrestrained occupants in the cockpit. This is just crap.

This isn't nit-picking. Don't come back and say "In a film with light sabers and aliens, this is what you have a problem with?" Yes, this is what I have a problem with because it is easy to accept light sabers and aliens and the force as fantasy elements. But I can't accept a movie where all common sense and elementary physics are being tossed out of the window. There is simply nothing for me to connect with in movies such as this.

 

[JarodRussell]

Anakin, a Force-guided exceptional pilot, being able to fly the Naboo fighter wasn't so far fetched. Remember, Luke flying an X-Wing with no training and only with knowledge about some Hopper. That's probably like going from a double decker to an F-18. And we haven't seen Luke winning a high-speed race that no other human could even survive long enough (unlike Anakin).

You know, I am willing to accept that Anakin is a force prodigy and can pilot a space fighter. Except that I simple can't ignore the size differences between Anakin and the rest of the Naboo fighter pilots.

Even assuming that there were absolutely no peddles for the short feet of a 3 foot tall boy to step on, there is no way his hands can reach the throttle stick AND be tied to the seat with any kind of harness. The rest of the fighter pilots are at least twice as big as Anakin, with arm length more than twice that of a 3 foot child. Anakin would either have to fly without a harness OR be tied down and not be able to reach anything else.

But then, not only was Anakin flying the fighter, he was doing all sorts of tricks (SPINNING) with enough g-force that would instantly kill any unrestrained occupants in the cockpit. This is just crap.

This isn't nit-picking. Don't come back and say "In a film with light sabers and aliens, this is what you have a problem with?" Yes, this is what I have a problem with because it is easy to accept light sabers and aliens and the force as fantasy elements. But I can't accept a movie where all common sense and elementary physics are being tossed out of the window. There is simply nothing for me to connect with in movies such as this.

Well, as for the G-forces... could have been inertial dampeners.

And since I don't think they built an extra cockpit for Jake Lloyd, I think it is safe to assume that the size fits somehow.

 

[Mach5]

And since I don't think they built an extra cockpit for Jake Lloyd, I think it is safe to assume that the size fits somehow.

You know those Nikes Marty McFly wore in Back to the future 2, the ones which automatically adapted themselves to fit him?

Maybe these cockpits were designed to adapt to the pilot (move the seat forward, throttle stick back etc.)...

Wait, why are we even discussing this? It's the prequels we're talking about, for crying out loud.

I mean, take Mustafar, for example. The entire planet's (moon's, whatever) surface is basically lava and dirt, yet it has a breathable atmosphere, with the air cool enough not to fry people's lungs?

 

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Well, as for the G-forces... could have been inertial dampeners.

And since I don't think they built an extra cockpit for Jake Lloyd, I think it is safe to assume that the size fits somehow.

If they had inertial dampeners, they wouldn't have needed any harnesses at all. Yet, every pilot was wearing a harness.

Its this "size fits somehow" that annoys the crap out of me. This was a common sense issue that somehow, not a single person in the production crew thought to question.

Common sense dictates that fighter planes are NOT built with adjustable cockpits. It is much cheaper and much more logical to built the cockpits to a standard size and select pilots instead.

I would be fine if the Naboo didn't follow this common sense practice, it is perfectly possible. If that's the case, illustrate that point somehow. Don't show me a squad of pilots of roughly equal shape and size and then try to show me that a child half their size can pilot the same damn plane.

Now, I know there was an over-weight pilot in there (Which is almost as insulting having a child). But being over-weight doesn't cause as much problem as being too little. You can still reach the controls if you are over-weight. It will get really cramp in the cockpit, but you can function. If you are too small, you wouldn't even be able to fly the damn thing in the first place.

 

[Set Harth]

This shit goes on and on, and if anything, the rebuttal guy proves that a lot of Plinkett said is either disputable, subject to interpretation, or 100% bullshit.

As someone on another forum said:

However, the fact that many people do take the Plinkett criticisms as devastating attacks on the PT says a lot. What the RLM stuff actually does is to leave out, omit, elide, truncate, skew and distort what's actually in the films themselves. The RLM stuff strikes me as deliberately indecent and willfully neglectful.

 

[Bishop76]

This shit goes on and on, and if anything, the rebuttal guy proves that a lot of Plinkett said is either disputable, subject to interpretation, or 100% bullshit.

As someone on another forum said:
However, the fact that many people do take the Plinkett criticisms as devastating attacks on the PT says a lot. What the RLM stuff actually does is to leave out, omit, elide, truncate, skewer and distort what's actually in the films themselves. The RLM stuff strikes me as deliberately indecent and willfully neglectful.

 

[Set Harth]

If the trees are all fake, there's really no forest at all.

 

[Bishop76]

Too funny

 

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^ I confess that I agree. Even if everything Plinkett said were bullshit, the PT would still be blatantly awful. He's not telling us anything that is not already obvious to anyone watching the film, he's just providing an analysis as to why. Not always a perceptive one, but frequently so, imo.

There are moments when Plinkett's reviews don't actually capture the depths of the awfulness because they are quite entertaining in themselves. The dialogue between Anakin and Padme in the 2nd and 3rd films, for example, is astonishingly, cringe-inducingly bad, literally the worst of its kind I have ever heard in a Hollywood movie.

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere. Everything here is soft and smooth."

Any script doctor working for Disney could write a romantic encounter that would improve that scene many times over and actually make it palatable with little effort. It's bad on a level that is rarely seen in a professional movie, let alone a major Hollywood production. Lucas just didn't have the sense to let a professional writer rework his glaringly amateurish script.

 

[Set Harth]

Even if everything Plinkett said were bullshit, the PT would still be glaringly awful.

So why would he need to distort the facts in the first place, if this is so apparent?

 

[Gaith]

I feel that we're about to reach a consensus on Plinkett vs. the PT. Just a few more posts, and everyone will agree on every detail. Ergo, carry on, lads and lasses, and whatever you do, don't give up hope now!

 

[Bishop76]

I don't know - why do you feel the need to constantly distort common sense, logic, and rational, critical thinking to try to prove otherwise?

 

[Set Harth]

I don't know - why do you feel the need to constantly distort common sense, logic, and rational, critical thinking to try to prove otherwise?

Give examples. That never happened other than in your fantasies. By comparison, Stoklasa's distortions are now a matter of public record.

 

[Neroon]

Oh good grief...... this thread is beginning to resemble a NASCAR race: going around in circles again and again. Since there seems to be so little news that's being said: thread closed.