Please tell me Torchwood gets better
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I remember you sharing this before. That sums Torchwood season 1 perfectly.
I also watched the 10 episodes over the course of 3 days. It didn't help. If anything, it may have made it worse, since it made it far more obvious how much didn't make sense between the episodes.
Why make a big deal about the Soulless when they are never mentioned again? People are "so alive" in one episode that Sierra from Dollhouse (Can't remember her character name) is able to get up and chase Jack and co. down with her head twisted backwards, but later Category 1s are all just laying around as barely living vegetables. Why doesn't Gwen need to be in hiding anymore when she gets deported back to Wales? Nothing has really changed for her. If anything, it should be worse. What about the piece of the big alien panel that Jack took from Angelo's house? What about the panel period? It ended up being completely irrelevant to the story. So much went nowhere, and the ending felt rushed, requiring some cackling and monloguing from the villians to explain things...badly.
Yeah there were a lot of neat ideas that just went nowhere, far too much focus on the world taking hard choices (which unlike the hard choices in COE didn't seem anywhere near as morally reprehensible as they wanted us to believe) and the final straw was the finale when
and yet it still wasn't terrible. It was enjoyable, it just wasn't very good.
Jack and co natter away for ages whilst the badguys just stand there in the background twiddling their thumbs- yeah they couldn't shoot em, but in the time they were talking the badguys could have gone got tranq guns/nets...and possibly eaten lunch or taken a nap)
and yet it still wasn't terrible. It was enjoyable, it just wasn't very good.
Thanks to the power of Netflix (yes, I still have it), I have to agree with you as well. And the reason why I stuck with it for a 3 day marathon was because of the hope that it would get better. But the show was pretty uneven: without spoiling anything, there's someone who gives a great speech to Jack midway through the season, but there's a character that swears like a sailor but it adds nothing to the character later in the arc. It could be a case of burnout.
I'd say more to complain about it but then we'd be getting into spoilers.
Skiddoo & Zoom -- I hate to break it to the both of you, but professors and authors are more than welcome to have their own opinions, and oftentimes they question and disagree with their own colleagues with the same titles (heck, that's a sizable chunk of the professor's bread and butter right there -- discussion and disagreement). And because of that, if about it's opinions and preferences and not facts, no one's wrong either. Ultimately, it comes down to: "To each their own"
Actually, you don't have to break it to me. I know that. I was more responding to Skiddoo's need to add that his friend was an author and Professor of English, ie, an appeal to authority. "He must be right, he's a Professor of English."
It doesn't matter. My degree doesn't matter. The English Professor's profession doesn't matter. That's what I was getting at.
What does matter: personal opinion. My opinion is: the English Professor is wrong. Miracle Day is awful television and everyone involved should've known better.
Skiddoo & Zoom -- I hate to break it to the both of you, but professors and authors are more than welcome to have their own opinions, and oftentimes they question and disagree with their own colleagues with the same titles (heck, that's a sizable chunk of the professor's bread and butter right there -- discussion and disagreement). And because of that, if about it's opinions and preferences and not facts, no one's wrong either. Ultimately, it comes down to: "To each their own"
Actually, you don't have to break it to me. I know that. I was more responding to Skiddoo's need to add that his friend was an author and Professor of English, ie, an appeal to authority. "He must be right, he's a Professor of English."
It doesn't matter. My degree doesn't matter. The English Professor's profession doesn't matter. That's what I was getting at.
What does matter: personal opinion. My opinion is: the English Professor is wrong. Miracle Day is awful television and everyone involved should've known better.
See, my issue with your post (and why I quoted you) was that you called the professor wrong. It'd be the same if you said he was right, too. I mean, I agree to a point that the people behind Miracle Day should've known better, but liking/disliking something isn't (for the most part) right or wrong. Different strokes for different folks, and all that jazz.
Skiddoo & Zoom -- I hate to break it to the both of you, but professors and authors are more than welcome to have their own opinions, and oftentimes they question and disagree with their own colleagues with the same titles (heck, that's a sizable chunk of the professor's bread and butter right there -- discussion and disagreement). And because of that, if about it's opinions and preferences and not facts, no one's wrong either. Ultimately, it comes down to: "To each their own"
Actually, you don't have to break it to me. I know that. I was more responding to Skiddoo's need to add that his friend was an author and Professor of English, ie, an appeal to authority. "He must be right, he's a Professor of English."
It doesn't matter. My degree doesn't matter. The English Professor's profession doesn't matter. That's what I was getting at.
What does matter: personal opinion. My opinion is: the English Professor is wrong. Miracle Day is awful television and everyone involved should've known better.
See, my issue with your post (and why I quoted you) was that you called the professor wrong. It'd be the same if you said he was right, too. I mean, I agree to a point that the people behind Miracle Day should've known better, but liking/disliking something isn't (for the most part) right or wrong. Different strokes for different folks, and all that jazz.
Imagine an "I think" in there before I said he's wrong. We're arguing an opinion. Not facts. So, of course, it's a "I think" he's wrong, that it's structure is so much better, or that it's a better show.
I think the opinion is wrong. Just my opinion.
I think Torchwood falls too much into being grim derp (ie being dark for the sake of it, getting unintentionally funny).
S1 is quite a while back, but "Cyberwoman" and "Countrycide" stick in the mind for being quite awful, I avoided S2 (I have to get round to watching it, to fill in the blanks about Captain Jack properly). Children of Earth was some of the best set of TV episodes in the past five to ten years.... it was good, too good (building up to a big let down with the inferior but OK in its own right Miracle Day which had a very tough act to follow).
S1 is quite a while back, but "Cyberwoman" and "Countrycide" stick in the mind for being quite awful, I avoided S2 (I have to get round to watching it, to fill in the blanks about Captain Jack properly). Children of Earth was some of the best set of TV episodes in the past five to ten years.... it was good, too good (building up to a big let down with the inferior but OK in its own right Miracle Day which had a very tough act to follow).
I actually like Season 1 more than Season 2. Sure, Season 2 has fewer bad episodes, but it also has fewer excellent ones.
I loved “Countrycide”
It was an episode that didn't feature any
aliens or science fiction
It makes me imagine the Torchwood team as a bunch of crazies from the real world, which is how Torchwood would appear in the real world if they existed. You know, if such an agency existed, they would be laughed at as long as they tried to keep their findings hidden.
It was also the only realistic fucked up story in all of the four seasons. Enjoyably fucked up.
And given that all the aliens in Torchwood were ridiculous, it was the best episode to that point. Maybe Small Worlds would have won if they hadn't shown the aliens up close, because the introduction was stunning.
It was also the only realistic fucked up story in all of the four seasons. Enjoyably fucked up.
And given that all the aliens in Torchwood were ridiculous, it was the best episode to that point. Maybe Small Worlds would have won if they hadn't shown the aliens up close, because the introduction was stunning.
Anyway, I'd watch the gems from season 1, then season 2 and season 3, and skip season 4 altogether.
The gems of Season 1 are “Out of Time” and “Captain Jack Harkness”. I guess one has to see “The End of Days”, which would be a gem if it wasn't for a certain 10 minutes of it. “Random Shoes” was also quite exciting, and “They Kept Killing Suzie” appears to be liked by the viewers, although I didn't like it at all. The rest was pretty meh, except for some hot lesbian seduction... except for the bad teeth. You'd think that a shape-shifting alien can get teeth right?
If season 2 had skipable episodes, I must have skipped them, because I don't remember them, so most of them must be worth watching.
Season 3 is the best of Torchwood, so watch it regardless of what you think about the rest.
So you watch the crappy season, skip the good years, and jump back in when the show goes to shit? That's some pretty poor timing, buddy.
Well, I went ahead and watched children of earth. It was good. It was not "best season of television" ever, or anything on that level.
It was a really creative story but in the end it just felt like dr who lite. I like barrowman and I want to like captain jack, but somehow Torchwood seems sillier, more fake and more for kids than doctor who. I don't know why, it's as if who knows when it's being silly and rolls with it, but Torchwood doesn't seem to be aware of itself in that way.
Glad I watched it. At this point I don't see myself going back to the rest anytime soon. I'm busy with life on mars, ashes to ashes and Sherlock for my British tv. Oh, and the last season of secret diary of a call girl.
It was a really creative story but in the end it just felt like dr who lite. I like barrowman and I want to like captain jack, but somehow Torchwood seems sillier, more fake and more for kids than doctor who. I don't know why, it's as if who knows when it's being silly and rolls with it, but Torchwood doesn't seem to be aware of itself in that way.
Glad I watched it. At this point I don't see myself going back to the rest anytime soon. I'm busy with life on mars, ashes to ashes and Sherlock for my British tv. Oh, and the last season of secret diary of a call girl.
Life on Mars was pretty good. I couldn't stand one episode of Ashes to Ashes. Then I read the ending of it all on Wikipedia, and I was glad I never watched it. I would take Torchwood over that any time.
Both shows are fantastic in their own ways (beyond the amazing Gene Hunt), but there's no beating John Simm kicking ass on Life on Mars.
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