Plans for season 5...Kzinti the main enemy?

[RAMA]

I came across this for the first time the other day and thought it was worthy of viewing. Has this been mentioned before?? I don't know how I missed it the first time around.

From memory alpha:
The would-be Season 5

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/User:Kobi/Kzinti

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Kzinti_vessel_c2150s.jpg

Possible design of a 22nd century Kzinti starship

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Stratos.jpg


The Enterprise was due to visit Stratos, showing the split-up of its society as it is depicted in TOS: "The Cloud Minders"


A fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise was never produced, since the show was officially canceled on 2 February 2005. The producers, however, had already devised numerous plans for future seasons, which could have started airing by September 2005. Most information is based on comments by producer Manny Coto.

• A Kzinti episode had been suggested as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon", which progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship, commissioned by writer Jimmy Diggs. The story was titled "Kilkenny Cats." [1]
• An episode had been discussed where the Enterprise crew encountered a previous alias of Flint. (citation needed • edit)
• Manny Coto stated in an interview that, had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring character of Shran may have joined the crew of Enterprise. [2]
• Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. First hints to that episode were already given in "Bound". [3]
• Enterprise was due to revisit (actually previsit) the cloud city Stratos on Ardana showing the formation of the two castes seen in TOS: "The Cloud Minders". [4]
• Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) might have been seen as well: an 80-page teleplay for a two-hour drama introducing Guinan to the NX-01 crew and centering around Hoshi Sato was submitted for Season Five, entitled "The Treatment" (Writer's Guild-East Registration R18220-00) and written by Rhett Coates. The script was sent on 1 February 2005 and registered by the Writer's Guild on 11 April, two months after the series had already been canceled. The story features Guinan under the assumed name of "Madam Claranna" and serving as acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. It also would have introduced Skon, father of Sarek and grandfather of Spock (referenced in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock). The story included many tie-ins to TOS and TNG, more background information about Guinan, an explanation as to why Vulcan delayed helping Earth in its warp drive program, the introduction of the newly-established starship-design designation call-letters NCC (referenced in the teleplay as "Naval Construction Contract"), and Hoshi's prime motivation for creating the linguacode translation matrix (as mentioned in "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"). A scene early on in the story was written as a special nod to Gene Roddenberry (and to fans): a Capellan woman sings a song called "Remember Me" [TOS theme - but slowly, as a love-theme] in the space station lounge. The author envisioned Chase Masterson to play the role - and named the character "A'tee-el" as a reversal of actress Masterson's DS9 character name, Leeta. Coates wrote two story synopses on two different TrekUnited forums; the first reads as follows:

Enterprise NX-01, docked at an alien space station [or newly-established star-base], is to undergo a systems re-fit with a new technology called LinguiTran, recently created by one of Henry Archer's former students, Madam Pres. Shaka Almashad (of the United Earth Space Probe Agency). While work begins, an error in translating an alien language results in a horrifying medical [condition] regarding crewman Hoshi Sato, forcing the crew and their guests to face a controversial moral issue that tests everyone's faith in their future, and that may also decide the fate of an entire species - and Hoshi's life. Tempers begin to flare as the situation worsens, with a developing threat to the lives of everyone aboard the ship. Finally, an unexpected and shocking twist to their dilemma, with a revelation about the origin of life, could either spell doom for everyone or - depending upon their actions - bring an optimistic and hopeful outcome to what is otherwise a harsh subject topic.[5] His second synopsis reads as follows: Guinan and Skon visit Capt. Archer's starship Enterprise, and try to help avert a 22nd century moral issue disaster when a dangerous, unborn fetus -- still in it's mother's womb -- makes it's own choice if it will live or die. HOSHI is the one with the "creature" inside her (the story's pivot character), and the way the story pans out is what instigates her decision to perfect the Linguicode Translation Matrix. (You'll have to see the story to understand exactly why.....) Everyone is thrown into a fit (the entire NX-01 crew goes nuts), and Reed nearly has a nervous breakdown for thinking he caused the incident. T'Pol and Phlox go up against the Captain in the "moral issue" part, and even Section 31 comes into play. This one is a story I think the fans will truly enjoy, particularly when references are made to future 'Treks (TOS and TNG) that should be obvious to us, but not to anyone in the story except Guinan.....[6]

• Further planned topics included the Enterprise finally visiting Phlox's homeworld, Denobula. Furthermore, a revisit to the mirror universe, which had already been shown in "In a Mirror, Darkly", and possibly featuring Hoshi Sato being empress of the Terran Empire had also been discussed. A return of Section 31, which had its last appearance in "Terra Prime", was planned as well. (citation needed • edit)
• Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2 ("Regeneration") and becomes the Borg Queen. [7]
• Writer/producer Mike Sussman hoped to have T'Pol finally meet her father, and reveal to the audience that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The suggestion that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for Humans as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions. (Information provided by Mike Sussman)

And the actual episode that will be produced for Phase II:

The STNV team is also already into pre-production on two additional episodes. The first will be “Rest and Retaliation” written by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur which begins location shooting at Vasquez Rocks in late March. Kevin Rubio is directing and hopes are to have that episode out some time in 2008. That episode will be followed up by “Killkenny Cats” written by Jimmy Diggs adapted from a story intended for Star Trek Enterprise. “Killkenny Cats” will feature the Kzinti, the cat-like creatures invented by Larry Niven and so far only seen on The Animated Series. Cawley tells TrekMovie.com that they will have fully rendered CGI Kzinti, which can be seen on the promo poster below.

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/killkenny.jpg

 

[MattJC]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of that has been mentioned before.

 

[pookha]

never heard of the flint idea and personally not thrilled with it.
unless we would learn flint wasnt who he claimed to be in some of the past but had learned how to fake the works of some masters to make a living.

if they could have gotten nivens permission i do like the kzinti though i suspect the romulans would be ever looming threat.

i dont remember section 31 being specifically mentioned but it makes sense considering what happened in demon.

as for tpol as part romulan it is my lest favorite.
the first objection is practical.
unless her father had some type of medical procedure done that would carry on through the genetic level to his offspring certain indications that tpol was part romulan would have came up with all the medical scans she had due to the panaars ect.

plus, i think it is a little bit of a cop out to say the only way to explain why she doesnt fit some nonexistant vulcan norm is to say she is half romulan.
because there were other vulcan women who acted in what could be seen as a rebellious manner .
tpring who even though she used logic to achieve what she wanted could be questioned since her goal was to be with stonn. no matter the cost to others and frankly to vulcan and possibly the federation itself.
the vulcan women from gambit and deep space nine .

valeris who let her fear of the future turn her traitor.

plus tpol wasnt the only vulcan who may have been a little more emotional then what is considered normal (though far less emotional then the captain from basesball ds9 episode).

look at the high command in the vulcan trilogy.
i still think that the explanation that the vulcans in enterprise are different due to the teachers of surak being part in dispute during that time was an interesting way to deal with all that.

 

[flux_29]

Another section 31 would have been good.

 

[Reanok]

Another Section 31 show would've been intersting but I don't care about Mike Sussman's idea that he wanted to have T'Pol's father be a Romulan. I agree with Pookha that some Vulcan women may have been slightly more emotional at times or had a rebellious streak. I think it would've been a cop out to have T'Pol being part Romulan.I Don't care for that story idea at all. I hope the Enterprise books won't go in that direction with T'Pol. .

 

[Odon]

Next week on Star Trek Enterprise...

Enterprise makes first contact with the feline Kzinti, whose ambassador is The Cat from 'Red Dwarf'. Hoshi is unable to interpret his "YEEEHAAAAHOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!", Archer smells like a beagle and T'Pol's so-called 'catsuit' has him howling, but Trip saves the day with his welcome meal of pan-fried catfish.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I quite liked the idea of some Romulan intrique having a personal connection to T'Pol. Also it fits quite nicely with Season Four's Vulcan arc, her Mother perhaps knew all about those who went off to "march under the Raptor's Wings".

The Kzinti is definitely a significant first contact episode and a good move to build on TAS, fitting it into live-action canon. After FX creatures like the Xindi-Insectoid and Species 8472, I'd have liked to see Edosians like Arex introduced too.

 

[Timo]

OTOH, I'd very much have liked to see the Kzinti treated as not a first contact, but rather as something mankind had already had dealings with before Archer. Surely Earthlings had gotten their noses bloodied to some degree before they built their first truly long range starship... And Sulu in TAS claims that the Kzinti wars were two centuries old by that time, while an ENT adventure would be barely past the one-century mark; a first contact in the 2100s or 2110s would better fit the TAS bill.

Of course, what I really would have liked to see done would have been portraying the cats as "feline Xindi", the one Xindi subspecies that chose not to conform. That would work on so many pseudohistorical levels...

What I truly would not have wanted to see is the above Guinan storyline. Nothing against the Hoshi part, or even the assorted fanwanks worked into the plot. It's just that I'd hate to see Guinan turned into some sort of a secret agent or Cigarette-Smoking Woman or whatever, when it is so much more enjoyable to think back to her being on Earth in the 19th century merely for her own entertainment!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

That episode will be followed up by “Killkenny Cats” written by Jimmy Diggs adapted from a story intended for Star Trek Enterprise. “Killkenny Cats” will feature the Kzinti, the cat-like creatures invented by Larry Niven and so far only seen on The Animated Series. Cawley tells TrekMovie.com that they will have fully rendered CGI Kzinti, which can be seen on the promo poster below.

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/killkenny.jpg

Niven has given his blessing to the project but due to a publishing/licensing issue with the Known Space RPG, the name of the Kzinti is going to be altered. Also, the episode is on the back end of the production, iirc, due to the complications in realizing the CGI Kzinti.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

Ummm... Kzinti ears are pink, nude, and parasol like. Can't see the tail in the promo pic, but it's supposed to be nude and pink also. Either they aren't paying much attention to detail, that ain't a Kzin, or the promo poster isn't a representative of the final product.

I hope the newvoyages... err.. phase II crew can pull this off. I never really liked The Slaver Weapon as a TAS story, as the other vital elements of Nivens Known Space can't be brought into the Trek universe easily.

Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE to see a Piersons Puppeteer rendered with good technology.


The puppeteer spun about, heads spread wide apart, regarding the kzin from 2 viewpoints. His rear leg flexed. The Kzin should have had more caution, even though this was a leaf eater...

Cheers,

AG

 

[I am not Spock]

I like some of these ideas. Another Section 31 episode would have been great, and I love the Kzinti idea. I agree with what somebody posted above that they should have tied the Kzinti into the Xindi somehow. The names of the two races are very similar.

The Mirror Universe would be welcome, and Shran joining the regular cast would have ruled. The Guinan idea, and the Alice Krige/Borg Queen one sound very fanwanky though.

 

[Reanok]

It would have been neat to find out what happened in the Expanse with the Sphere builders gone and what happened to the xindi. I would have liked to have seen Shran again as a guest character and Soval, V'Lar or T'Pau again to find out what happened to Vulcan after the Kir'shara incident and the Romulan intereference with traitors like V'Las.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

For the Kzinti they could gotten those Kilrathi costumes from The Wing Commander movie.

 

[gblews]

I came across this for the first time the other day and thought it was worthy of viewing. Has this been mentioned before?? I don't know how I missed it the first time around.

Yes, this has been posted before and it still makes me sad when I read it.

It would have been neat to find out what happened in the Expanse with the Sphere builders gone and what happened to the xindi.

When the crew destroyed the Spheres I believe it was stated that the Expanse changed back to normal space and since the Spherebuilders couldn't live in normal space, they all died. So, if there had been a season 5, goodbye Xindi, hello Kzinti.

 

[FalTorPan]

Kzinti?

Gesundheit!

 

[Space Lizard]

I would have loved to see more of Shran, a Ardana episode, the Guinan one, and most of the rest. The whole Vulcan/Romulan thing seems a bit...meh? It didn't sound great with Saavik either... Having the Kzinti would be good, especially for finally making TAS full canon, but I'd have rather seen the Earth-Romulan War. I hate the idea of Section 31, so I would rather had not seen more of that.

There's a few things I'd really have liked to see. The Earth-Romulan War, for instance. More prequels to TOS instead of TNG. Trip not dying. And, even if it's minor, what the hell happened to the Coridanites, going from the populous species of Enterprise to the state of affairs seen in Journey to Babel. Maybe something with the Bajorans and Cardassians (I'd like to see what first contact with the Cardassians was like)...

Also, of course, Mayweather having something to do.

 

[mic of orion]

I'd love to see The Earth-Romulan War but towards season 6 and is Enterprise were to have 7 seasons, than I'd love to see season 7 being totally dominated by The Earth-Romulan War and final funding of UFP.

But season 5 yeah, bit of Kzinti wouldn't hurt

Also some ideas such as NCC class would have made me happy chappy

 

[Strings]

nice ideas but too many tie ins to later trek. that was enterprises problem late on, too many links to other shows. ironically the problem i had with the easrly seesons were not enough links!

 

[Captain59]

nice ideas but too many tie ins to later trek. that was enterprises problem late on, too many links to other shows. ironically the problem i had with the easrly seesons were not enough links!

I thought the links to TOS in Season 4 were good things...just too little too late. I still hate they brought in Ferengi and Borg...just made no sense. The reference to the Cardassians in Observer Effect was fine, though, because they had indeed seen them.