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Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Grading

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Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Just saw it. I guess I have to see the first three to know what it is about because I was pretty much clueless about what was going on most of the time.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Above Average - better than I expected.

+ liked Blackbeard
- disliked that Blackbeard had bizarre magical powers
+ liked Penelope Cruz's character, and that she did not turn out to be a 'good girl'
+ liked the mermaid stuff, but the love story needed more timee
- the spanish angle was as someone else noticed completely wasted, they just show up and want to destroy it
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

did you not see at worlds end barbosa had the pearl. and jack had the map for the fountin of youth. which does look like a miniature version of the guardian of forever.

Yeah I saw the third one and I expected Jack to or Barbosa to have the Pearl, so when I didn't see it in the movie, I was disappointed. Jack having the Pearl in the bottle is better than nothing, but Im anxious to see how he gets it out. So yes, technically the Pearl was in the movie, just not what I expected.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

disliked that Blackbeard had bizarre magical powers

Not to be nitpicky, but Blackbeard didn't have the magic powers. The sword did. Although, admittingly, they didn't go into it.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

disliked that Blackbeard had bizarre magical powers

Not to be nitpicky, but Blackbeard didn't have the magic powers. The sword did. Although, admittingly, they didn't go into it.

Yep.

And it's sorta one of the reasons I thought the movie was Ok.

So much supernatural stuff that it's no longer special. And in this movie EVERYTHING was supernatural... Blackbeard's sword, the mermaids, the "zombified" crew--which didn't really matter, the voodoo doll.

It's like all the left over stuff from the other two thrown in...

Better than the last two, not as good as the first.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Went to see the film 2 weeks ago. Never saw the 2nd or 3rd films. Didn't think it was too bad.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

With so many other movies coming out in the next few weeks I've decided to hold off on OST until it's on DVD. I almost saw it on Thursday, but decided to do Kung Fu Panda 2 instead.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

I thought it was "pretty good". It wasn't as good as the first two movies in the series were (at least for me) but I did rather enjoy it and, despite the film's running time, I never did glance down at my watch (which is a sign of a good movie for me). Blackbeard was the most significant new element of the movie (loved his look and musical theme) for me but it almost seems as though, like with Barbossa in COTBP, that we barely get to know him before he dies.
In Barbossa's case, we did get him back at the end of DMC and he survived AWE but it's doubtful we'll get to see Blackbeard again due to the cause of his demise (based on the after-credits, I suspect that we'll see Angelica again in any future installments). I was initially disappointed that the Black Pearl wasn't part of the movie but I was glad that it hadn't been destroyed and that we'll likely see it again in (possible) future POTC movies.
The one thing that I didn't think about during the movie but thought about more afterwards was that for some reason I thought that Barbossa always had a peg leg and him having one didn't initially surprise me but thinking back to the previous POTC movies I guess he didn't (I must've been thinking about a different pirate movie- Nate & Hayes). His conveniently having one for this movie diminished the surprise of figuring out that he'd be the one to "kill" Blackbeard at the end of the movie-they "telegraphed" that one too much.
Barbossa and Sparrow had a much more "chummy" relationship in this movie than in the previous ones where they always seemed to be scheming against and trying to betray each other. Barbossa might just be getting a little "soft" after the loss of the Pearl- though the QAR isn't a bad ship after all?
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

I voted above average. I have seen this film twice. In the second viewing, I noticed something interesting. What is this?

There are two passages to the Fountain of Youth. One is from the cave, and one is from the pools where mermaids die. Why did they choose the former not the latter, especially since the latter appears so much closer to the Fountain? And how did the writer of the words on the chalices find the right combination?
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

For those who are confused or who care, there is already two more sequels planned. I don't have the link I'm on my phone, but ASAP I will try to post the link that says so. They will film it back to back like they did the last two.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Well, I finally saw it this evening after not being able to due to one planned underway and one unplanned underway (fucking useless typhoon).

While I enjoyed the movie immensely (how can you not with Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush?), it wasn't quite as fun as the trilogy. The film wasn't as witty as the previous nor did I connect with the characters as I did before. Much to my shock, I actually found myself kind of missing Will and Elizabeth even though there story is complete and I didn't want them to return in this one. Nonetheless, Ian McShane as Blackbeard was fantastic, as was Penelope Cruz as Angelica, although I can see people's argument that she and Depp had no chemistry (I thought they were fine, but they weren't on the same level as Depp and Knightley).

One thing I'm realizing the film was missing was all of the charismic secondary characters. People like Norrington, Governor Swann, Pintel and Ragetti, Marty, Cotton, Murtogg and Mulloy, Tia Dalma, Lord Beckett, Davy Jones, Bill Turner, Anamarie, and so on. In this, only Gibbs, Gillette, Groves, and Teague return, but Gillette and Groves was never all that interesting and Gibbs suffers from a larger role (and the interaction between him and Barbosa doesn't really click), although Teague was amusing as before. I had absolutely no interest in the clergyman (whose name is apparently Philip Swift but I never heard that name uttered) and Syrena, especially in the last 30 minutes of the movie. I found Stephen Graham to be completely wasted in the role as Scrum because I know he can interesting and charismatic (as seen in Traffic and Boardwalk Empire).

That being said, I loved many aspects about the film: Jack's entrance as a judge, "Captain, I wish to report a mutiny. I can name fingers and point names," the Black Pearl (and other ships) being trapped inside of bottles (along with the environment they were in), the idea of Barbosa being in the service of the Crown, the entire initial mermaid sequence (but it's a pity the film was rated PG-13), coy references to the original trilogy (my favorites being Barbosa eating an apple in a fancy table setting and Jack Sparrow single-handedly taking down British men with a rope and wrap them up around a tree a la the end of Curse of the Black Pearl with Will), and especially Judi Dench's all-too-brief cameo where she utters the single, yet wonderfully self-referential, double-entendre line of "That's it?!"

Overall, I would rate it a 3.5/5 and below all three films of the trilogy.

Edited to add: Like others in this thread, the moment I saw the Fountain of Youth, I thought "Hey! It's that lumpy doughnut from outer space..."

It was cool that they brought back Barbossa. Rush is just as great as Depp in these movies. I hope he keeps appearing. He is the Daffy Duck to Jack's Bugs Bunny.
Brilliant! They are indeed this generation's Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck. :D
 
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Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Shawn Levy, Sam Raimi, Chris Weitz, and Alfonso Cuaron Being Considered For Pirates 5 Directing Job

A few weeks ago Depp came out and talked about his desire to space these Pirates movies out a bit. He’s still not signed for the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean, and from what we hear, neither is On Stranger Tides director Rob Marshall. There’s so much money involved no one wants to stop making them, but at the same time they feel like they need a shot of creativity if they're going to keep going. Depp is determined to make sure they space them out and take their time with them, if they keep going. That could be why Marshall and Depp have since signed up to do Thin Man together. The fact that they’re determined to do that film is making it even harder for Disney to get them confirmed for Pirates 5.

Disney wants Marshall to direct Pirates 5, in fact they’ve had an offer out to him since January, but since there’s been no movement we’ve heard from our sources that the studio is starting to at least consider other alternatives.

Our most reliable sources tell us that their dream choice for the Pirates of the Caribbean 5 directing job is Tim Burton. There was reason to believe they wanted him for the fourth movie too, and just couldn’t get him. Odds that they’ll get him now are pretty slim. We’ve heard they’re also tossing around names like Shawn Levy, Sam Raimi, Chris Weitz, and Alfonso Cuaron.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Sam-...idered-For-Pirates-5-Directing-Job-25007.html

Oh! Pick Cuaron! Pick Cuaron! :D
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

I would love to see a Pirates movie directed by Cuaron. I think he and Depp would work great together.
Our most reliable sources tell us that their dream choice for the Pirates of the Caribbean 5 directing job is Tim Burton.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

I don't follow this franchise but...what is wrong with Tim Burton? I wouldn't want him near a superhero...but how much harm could he cause PoTC franchise?? Maybe the 6th film then???

:)
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Music by Danny Elfman! Co-Starring Helena Bonham Carter!
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Perhaps they could have streamlined things by having Blackbeard's ship be the Black Pearl (since the Queen Anne's Revenge had already been sunk by this point). Just by keeping the Black Pearl as a more sizable presence in the film would have given Jack a lot more stake in the story. Plus, they could have worked in cameos for Pintel, Raghetti, Cotton, Marty, Murtogg, & Mulroy at that point.
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Alfonso Cuaron directing a Pirates of the Caribbean film would be brilliant!
 
Re: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Discussion and Gradi

Okay, plotline for part 5. Jack and Barbarossa comptete together to find the lost island of Atlantis where the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is situated and guarded by a fearsome tribe of Amazons (cue Xena/Wonder Woman in- jokes) led by their Queen Marcia Cross (Lynda Carter, Kristine Sutherland etc). Barbarossa allies himself with Bonnie Prince Charlie (and his gruff manservant Billy Connolly) who hopes to fund his reconquest of Britain and Jack with the Duke of Cumberland who hopes to fund Britains war to protect America against the French in 1757.
Meanwhile Penelope Cruz's character from pt 4 is rescued from her exile by female pirate Captain Bonny (like Blackbeard a genuine historical figure) played by Megan Fox and her all female crew. They set out together to find Jack but Bonny has a deep dark secret that she needs to tell him.
 
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