Pine and Quinto sign on for 4th Star Trek film

[Dales]

The reboot is not like tos. I wouldn't watch a movie just with kirk and spock, I could endure an episode if this was a tv show but not entire movies... they may be the main characters but it's the ensemble that let them shine and makes them interesting to me.
Also I'm a bit bored by their dynamic the way it is handed in the reboot tbh. I prefer the natural sans destiny bs friendship between kirk and bones, as well as the developing friendship between kirk and uhura. With Spock I find him and Uhura new and interesting because it permits me to see new layers of two characters I love. and I'd also love to see him being friends with others beside just kirk or bones for a change. I'm all for the reboot telling different stories and not being stuck with the old thing because this is a big cast with many interesting characters it would be a waste to not make a good use of them, if you don't do that in a modern reboot away from the restrictions of the 60s then when?

I agree that everyone has different opinions. For me star trek is Spock, not the entity kirk/spock. I had always been partial to his character and interested about his story. I'm not a huge fan of Kirk, though I like the reboot version by Pine and find him somehow more relatable.
That said, it would be a good idea to have movies with completely new characters where kirk&co can still make cameos.

wow thats a bit harsh for me as I hardly come across people that dont like kirk/spock. the kirk/spock dynamic was the heart of TOS and it make sense that the writers are trying to reflect that in the new films , although ripping off wrath of khan was not the best way to do it in star trek into darkness.
it was pretty terrible.

spock/uhura are intresting ...at least from the first film. I was sort of mixed about them in the second film , the other characters work fine as well. sulu/john cho in particular but I dont think liking this characters should all of a sudden mean you dont have to like the kirk/spock friendship. they are after all the most iconic characters in the show and I am sure you can see more layers to nuspock without him been in a romance.

in fact in TOS, Spock had a lot of romantic moments. Leia and that zarabeth chick that died 5000 years ago. so spock been in a romance with uhura in AOS is not new neither is it more of less interesting like when he had romantic moments in TOS.

I get why some dont like TOS Kirk. sometimes its hard to like him when william shatner is playing himself in the kirk role

 

[Greg Cox]

in fact in TOS, Spock had a lot of romantic moments. Leia and that zarabeth chick that died 5000 years ago. so spock been in a romance with uhura in AOS is not new neither is it more of less interesting like when he had romantic moments in TOS.

There was also the Romulan commander in "The Enterprise Incident". Sure, Spock also had an ulterior motive, but I think there was a genuine connection there nonetheless.

You can also make a case, arguably, for Droxine in "The Cloud Minders," although that never got beyond some mild intellectual flirtation . . ..

Not sure if T'Pring counts--although Spock was willing to kill Kirk for her, albeit while in the throes of the blood fever.

 

[Mudd]

Not sure if T'Pring counts--although Spock was willing to kill Kirk for her, albeit while in the throes of the blood fever.

If that didn't count as romantic, a lot of guys couldn't count any romantic experiences at all.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

She left him for another man.

 

[Greg Cox]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

Who said romances always end happily?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

Who said romances always end happily?

A glooming peace this morning with it brings;
The sun, for sorrow, will not show his head:
Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things:
Some shall be pardon’d, and some punished:
For never was a story of more woe
Than this of Juliet and her Romeo.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

She left him for another man.

How could T'Pring have left Spock if she was never with him?

She and Stonn were always plotting behind Spock's back. That sound like romance to you?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would hardly count Spock's relationship with T'Pring as romantic. Look at how that turned out.

She left him for another man.

How could T'Pring have left Spock if she was never with him?

She and Stonn were always plotting behind Spock's back. That sound like romance to you?

Forbidden fruit tastes more sweet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake the challenge after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

 

[Greg Cox]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake it after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

I can't remember. Did Stonn look surprised when T'Pring picked Kirk instead of him?

I have to assume T'Pring changed the plan abruptly, since she had no way of knowing that Spock would bring his human friends to the ceremony.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake the challenge after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

But if Stonn was worth the paper he was printed on, T'Pring wouldn't have needed to choose Kirk in the first place. She clearly had no confidence that Stonn could win a battle against Spock...

 

[Nerys Myk]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

Not sure what you mean, Stonn was not T'Pring's chosen mate. so he's "Forbidden". Unless a guy on the side is okay in Vulcan culture.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake the challenge after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

But if Stonn was worth the paper he was printed on, T'Pring wouldn't have needed to choose Kirk in the first place. She clearly had no confidence that Stonn could win a battle against Spock...

Or maybe she'd rather Stonn stay in one piece. With Kirk its win/win for her.

 

[Greg Cox]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake the challenge after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

But if Stonn was worth the paper he was printed on, T'Pring wouldn't have needed to choose Kirk in the first place. She clearly had no confidence that Stonn could win a battle against Spock...

Or she just saw a way to ensure a win-win situation. As she explained in the ep:

If Kirk won, he wouldn't want her--and she would have Stonn.

If Spock won,he would turn himself in for killing Kirk--and she would have Stonn.

Even if she had faith in Stonn, why risk failure when a more logical alternative presented itself?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

But that's the thing - Stonn wasn't forbidden. He was just too much of a chickenshit to undertake the challenge himself.

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake it after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

I can't remember. Did Stonn look surprised when T'Pring picked Kirk instead of him?

I have to assume T'Pring changed the plan abruptly, since she had no way of knowing that Spock would bring his human friends to the ceremony.

That's my take. Stonn says in dialog that the plan was originally for him to fight Spock. I'd have to rewatch it myself to see how surprised he looked. He certainly acted surprised.

 

[Greg Cox]

No. Vulcan law didn't allow Stonn to undertake it after T'Pring picked Kirk. Stonn tried, but T'Pau told him to shut up. Stonn got "Kroykah!"-ed.

I can't remember. Did Stonn look surprised when T'Pring picked Kirk instead of him?

I have to assume T'Pring changed the plan abruptly, since she had no way of knowing that Spock would bring his human friends to the ceremony.

That's my take. Stonn says in dialog that the plan was originally for him to fight Spock. I'd have to rewatch it myself to see how surprised he looked. He certainly acted surprised.

That's what I thought I remembered. She clearly changed the plan at the last minute, without even consulting Stonn, in order to ensure a positive result for her, one way or another.

And people thought the Vulcans on ENTERPRISE were duplicitous!

 

[Malaika]

I seem to remember that in some comics T'Pring eventually left Stonn too to become a priestess. Lol
poor Stonn.

Anyway, Tos Spock had his own moments as a ladies man but I really wouldn't count any of those as romance or a full bore romantic relationship like the one his reboot counterpart has with Uhura. If him falling in love and having a relationship wasn't a new thing, I doubt so many tos purists would be so outraged by the new movies. These people would have less issues if Uhura was just like his love interests in tos. Though, I'd argue that the clues from tos surely invalidate the argument that it was impossible for him to have a relationship if one or two things clicked, that is a valid point because, yes, in that sense S/U isn't a new thing. At the time it was more a matter of the 'main guys cannot have one girlfriend' trope rather than the fictional male characters are not able to have a stable relationship if they wanted to.

Eta: in topic
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7o5Wezhzf9s

 

[Greg Cox]

Absolutely. We've never actually seen Spock (or Uhura for that matter) in a serious, ongoing relationship before, let alone when one where he wasn't under the influence of alien spores, time-travel regression, pon farr, or whatever.

So this is fun new territory to explore.

And it's about time Uhura got some romance as well, something the original show never got around to. (Heck, Scotty had more love interests than Uhura, as did Chekov.)