Exactly. Everybody has all their own favorites and first loves.
Just the other day, on another board, I saw someone describe TNG as the "foundation" on which all Trek was based.
Needless to say, I immediately spoke up on behalf of TOS.
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Exactly. Everybody has all their own favorites and first loves.
Just the other day, on another board, I saw someone describe TNG as the "foundation" on which all Trek was based.
Needless to say, I immediately spoke up on behalf of TOS.
Originality comes in many forms. You don't need new characters to be original. There are all sorts of original stories you can do with Kirk and Spock.
Exactly. Everybody has all their own favorites and first loves.
Just the other day, on another board, I saw someone describe TNG as the "foundation" on which all Trek was based.
Needless to say, I immediately spoke up on behalf of TOS.
I sometimes feel that TNG has defined Trek for many fans, and that the discontent with the current Trek is a result of its differences in tone from the TNG generation (TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT).
Exactly! There really isn't a limit to what kind of adventures these guys can have.
Which is fine. But the tone had to change in order to bring Star Trek back to relevance. They couldn't just keep doing what they had done since 1987, TV and movies have both changed substantially during the last 28 years.
I agree. Just as the TNG era brought changes to what Trek meant, the new movies bring something different to the table too. And they are all Trek.
Why did they ever move away? Why are there ever spinoffs of anything at all?
trek is not kirk and spock to everyone too. many people view trek as TNG more so than TOS
i wouldn't mind if 3 ended with a cliffhanger with the five year mission be decommissioned and the Enterprise crew being re-assigned. and 4 takes place a year later. it would be the perfect way to end the 3rd movie just in case some cast members don't wanna come back for a fourth.
The reboot is not like tos. I wouldn't watch a movie just with kirk and spock, I could endure an episode if this was a tv show but not entire movies... they may be the main characters but it's the ensemble that let them shine and makes them interesting to me.
Also I'm a bit bored by their dynamic the way it is handed in the reboot tbh. I prefer the natural sans destiny bs friendship between kirk and bones, as well as the developing friendship between kirk and uhura. With Spock I find him and Uhura new and interesting because it permits me to see new layers of two characters I love. and I'd also love to see him being friends with others beside just kirk or bones for a change. I'm all for the reboot telling different stories and not being stuck with the old thing because this is a big cast with many interesting characters it would be a waste to not make a good use of them, if you don't do that in a modern reboot away from the restrictions of the 60s then when?
I agree that everyone has different opinions. For me star trek is Spock, not the entity kirk/spock. I had always been partial to his character and interested about his story. I'm not a huge fan of Kirk, though I like the reboot version by Pine and find him somehow more relatable.
That said, it would be a good idea to have movies with completely new characters where kirk&co can still make cameos.
Also I'm a bit bored by their dynamic the way it is handed in the reboot tbh. I prefer the natural sans destiny bs friendship between kirk and bones, as well as the developing friendship between kirk and uhura. With Spock I find him and Uhura new and interesting because it permits me to see new layers of two characters I love. and I'd also love to see him being friends with others beside just kirk or bones for a change. I'm all for the reboot telling different stories and not being stuck with the old thing because this is a big cast with many interesting characters it would be a waste to not make a good use of them, if you don't do that in a modern reboot away from the restrictions of the 60s then when?
I agree that everyone has different opinions. For me star trek is Spock, not the entity kirk/spock. I had always been partial to his character and interested about his story. I'm not a huge fan of Kirk, though I like the reboot version by Pine and find him somehow more relatable.
That said, it would be a good idea to have movies with completely new characters where kirk&co can still make cameos.
that's quite true. I image eventually we'll get TNG rebooted..
(sort of related) I saw Jurassic World last night and it didn't recast Grant, Malcolm etc and instead did a sort of 'Jurassic TNG'.
True.
And it resulted in easily my favourite Trek series, moving away from the tired and overdone 'Boldly going to this weeks strange new planet' format.
The current movies don't do much for me. Not liking some of the cast (Pine, Pegg, Cho, Yelchin) is an issue I struggle with, but neither do the scripts appeal particularly.
I'd just like something different.
She didn't use the opportunity presented by acknowledging a colleague's death to promote her upcoming film? Shocking! Trouble in Paradise, methinks!
But not enough to support a movie.
The spin off characters do not have the cultural cache of TOS.
I'm like the third person in my family who is a star trek fan and yet, I'm the only one who actually remembers that Horner isn't just 'the dude who did Braveheart and Titanic' and he did trek too.
Even though he has a distinct signature and style (I absolutely love him), a lot of people don't realize he made the soundtracks of many of their favorite movies.
also, yeah, Zoe met him for avatar. He made the music for her scenes. I'm sure if Horner had done one of the reboot movies too she probably would have included it in her twitter.
well tng was a juggernaut hit. for me it is the most iconic show in trek. I remember when I was little my brother used to watch it like crazy and my dad still watches it 24/7 to this day to the point that my mum will get very annoyed
Sometimes TNG also used to pull in about 17-27 million views per episode. picard turning into locutus of borg and riker saying fire is still one of the most iconic and best cliff hangers moment EVER in TV HISTORY. I could go on about how the sucess of TNG is what defined trek also it won loads of emmys and was a major pop culture show for the 90s.
this is why I am not to keen for a 4th film for TOS characters with pine and quinto because the characters in TNG are as cool and if not cooler than the TOS cast. Also the TNG cast is not just about 2 or 3 characters like kirk, bones and spock . its about the a core 7 (Picard, Troi, Worf, Geordie, Crusher, Data and Riker ) and even more like O'Brien, Wesley and Guinan
So why not paramount just reboot TNG instead and let Abrmas TOS trek end with a trilogy. I also feel that people may get tired of this new cast after 3 films.
It was a big hit, no doubt about it. But the most iconic? I don't think it is. But that's my opinion.
It had some great moments. But I'm not sure it is something audiences connected with long term. It has struggled mightily in its life after its first run.
Which is exactly why TOS simply fits better on the big screen. They aren't trying to service seven or eight characters. People complained non-stop about characters getting short-changed during TNG's movie run.
For me, and me alone, only Picard and Data were really memorable characters.
If the stories are good, why would people get tired?
Seriously? People are actually reading secret anti-NuTrek agendas into posts about a man's death?
I'm sorry. That's just insane.
that's the norm over trekmovie. You gotta be scared to make any tiny comment in that site with the way these guys like to twist and read too much into everything and roleplay Sigmund Freud with super pretentious 'interpretations'.
No disrespect to TNG, which was also a great show in its time, but why would you expect that audiences would get tired of this cast after only three movies?
Heck, not even counting 79 TV episodes and the animated series, the original TOS cast got six movies and the TNG cast got four. Why limit the new cast to only three?
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