Pike is [Spoiler]ed?

[Timo]

Re: Pike is Crippled?

Yup. Regardless of whether we're talking stardate, airdate or production order, Kirk (or at least McCoy) had witnessed Spock do a meld in "Dagger of the Mind" before the events of "The Menagerie" rolled.

Then again, there's no real reason to assume that Kirk, McCoy or Spock would havel told Mendez or anybody else in Starfleet that such a procedure was possible. After all, it was a "private Vulcan thing", not to mention a nice way of giving Kirk a secret edge in tight situations. None of the full Vulcans in Starfleet employ might have volunteered the fact that they could help Pike, either.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ManOnTheWave]

Re: Pike is Crippled?

Beep.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Pike is Crippled?

Then again, there's no real reason to assume that Kirk, McCoy or Spock would havel told Mendez or anybody else in Starfleet that such a procedure was possible. After all, it was a "private Vulcan thing", not to mention a nice way of giving Kirk a secret edge in tight situations. None of the full Vulcans in Starfleet employ might have volunteered the fact that they could help Pike, either.

There was that time when Spock spoke to Pike alone. Why didn't he mind meld then? Was it because Pike's hospital room was being monitored?

And even if the concept of a mind meld wasn't well known throughout Starfleet, surely Spock should have raised the issue with Mendez at that point?

 

[Sector 7]

Re: Pike is Crippled?

Sometimes the simplest explanation...
When TOS was made in the 1960s NO ONE had a clue that one day we could communicate with someone is Pike's condition. Now it seems silly because we know it can be done.

 

[cooleddie74]

Pike wasn't injured until AFTER Kirk took over command of the ship from him. Remember your "Menagerie" canon and history? The delta-ray accident on the training shuttle happened "months" prior to the episodes.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^That is all true, but I think some here are speculating that Abrams may "change" the details of how and when Pike got his career-ending injuries.

I think those people are wrong, and as you said he received that injury that put him in the wheelchair long after Kirk took command.

As I said in an earlier post, I think if Kirk DOES temporarily take command from an injured Pike in this film, that injury will not be the one that put him in the wheelchair.

 

[Starfury]

Timmey, Timmey!


(Timmey!)

 

[cultcross]

Who changed the title of this thread?

[CAUTION: SPOILERS FOR THE MENAGERIE!!]

 

[ncc74302]

Is it just me or is it just kind of silly to say that there are spoilers for an episode that had a first run of 40 years ago? Cmon.

 

[Candlelight]

Pike ends up a wheel chair? He can only beep when he talks?? Dear gods, you have all spoiled this for me. My life is not worth living.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

Ha ha the joke police are here.

 

[M'Sharak]

Who changed the title of this thread?

[CAUTION: SPOILERS FOR THE MENAGERIE!!]

Is it just me or is it just kind of silly to say that there are spoilers for an episode that had a first run of 40 years ago? Cmon.

Picture the original title of the thread appearing on the Main Index under the Trek XI forum heading. Imagine several hundred Very Serious Trek Fans who've not visited this forum before, reading that title and reacting
"What???! No, that's wrong! It didn't happen in ______ timeframe!"
and coming charging over to set all of us poor, benighted souls straight on that account. Imagine:

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Visiting Poster #1: OMGWTF
Regular Poster A: No, that's not what we're talking about. This is something else. You know, in the movie.
Visiting Poster #1: Ohhhh, LOL! Never mind.
Visiting Poster #2: OMGWTF
Regular Poster B: No, that's not...


(Lather, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.)
-------------------

Sometimes, something which could be misinterpreted as a spoiler (even if it really isn't) requires careful handling when it comes to what goes in the title. That's what I was about there.

 

[urbandk]

Yeah, we're already at a point in technology with mind control of some functions more sophisticated than a beeping light... not to mention Stephen Hawking, et al.

I liked beeping Pike; he's a Star Trek icon, but I think this particular sci fi conjecture belongs in the past.

 

[RoJoHen]

Picture the original title of the thread appearing on the Main Index under the Trek XI forum heading. Imagine several hundred Very Serious Trek Fans who've not visited this forum before, reading that title and reacting
"What???! No, that's wrong! It didn't happen in ______ timeframe!"
and coming charging over to set all of us poor, benighted souls straight on that account. Imagine:

-------------------
Visiting Poster #1: OMGWTF
Regular Poster A: No, that's not what we're talking about. This is something else. You know, in the movie.
Visiting Poster #1: Ohhhh, LOL! Never mind.
Visiting Poster #2: OMGWTF
Regular Poster B: No, that's not...


(Lather, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.)
-------------------

Sometimes, something which could be misinterpreted as a spoiler (even if it really isn't) requires careful handling when it comes to what goes in the title. That's what I was about there.

You're silly. I like you.

Trek fans are CRAZY.

 

[Python Trek]

Picture the original title of the thread appearing on the Main Index under the Trek XI forum heading. Imagine several hundred Very Serious Trek Fans who've not visited this forum before, reading that title and reacting
"What???! No, that's wrong! It didn't happen in ______ timeframe!"
and coming charging over to set all of us poor, benighted souls straight on that account. Imagine:

-------------------
Visiting Poster #1: OMGWTF
Regular Poster A: No, that's not what we're talking about. This is something else. You know, in the movie.
Visiting Poster #1: Ohhhh, LOL! Never mind.
Visiting Poster #2: OMGWTF
Regular Poster B: No, that's not...


(Lather, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.)
-------------------

Sometimes, something which could be misinterpreted as a spoiler (even if it really isn't) requires careful handling when it comes to what goes in the title. That's what I was about there.

You're silly. I like you.

Trek fans are CRAZY.

We sure are, my friend!

 

[Mr_Splotch]

Robert April (seen below in green) was the first commanding officer of the Enterprise, preceding Pike. According to Wikipedia, "With the release of the Animated Series DVD release, Paramount Studio appears to have changed its stance on the series, and is now calling the animated series part of established canon, including within the pack-in booklet, and DVD extras, and Startrek.com."

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[Gepard]

According to Wikipedia, "With the release of the Animated Series DVD release, Paramount Studio appears to have changed its stance on the series, and is now calling the animated series part of established canon, including within the pack-in booklet, and DVD extras, and Startrek.com."

Ah, yes. Wikipedia. The never-ending source of all accuracy.

 

[Mr_Splotch]

According to Wikipedia, "With the release of the Animated Series DVD release, Paramount Studio appears to have changed its stance on the series, and is now calling the animated series part of established canon, including within the pack-in booklet, and DVD extras, and Startrek.com."

Ah, yes. Wikipedia. The never-ending source of all accuracy.

Well, it was the animated series that established that the T. stood for Tiberius, and that's in the new Star Trek movie.

 

[Michael]

According to Wikipedia, "With the release of the Animated Series DVD release, Paramount Studio appears to have changed its stance on the series, and is now calling the animated series part of established canon, including within the pack-in booklet, and DVD extras, and Startrek.com."

Ah, yes. Wikipedia. The never-ending source of all accuracy.

Well, it was the animated series that established that the T. stood for Tiberius, and that's in the new Star Trek movie.

... and Star Trek VI.

 

[urbandk]

According to Wikipedia, "With the release of the Animated Series DVD release, Paramount Studio appears to have changed its stance on the series, and is now calling the animated series part of established canon, including within the pack-in booklet, and DVD extras, and Startrek.com."

Ah, yes. Wikipedia. The never-ending source of all accuracy.

Well, it was the animated series that established that the T. stood for Tiberius, and that's in the new Star Trek movie.

Why would Paramount trying to make a buck = new addition to the canon?

Might it be only a lesser papal bull?

Not exactly ex cathedra anyhow.