The Defiant would have made short work of the attacking ships. Everyone knows enemy ships don't even have shields when going up against her.
Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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At least one of the Discovery writers was under the impression NOTHING originating from any of the movies could be used in Discovery, owing to the CBS/Paramount split. That's since been disproven, but shows there was a shocking lack of understanding as to what they're allowed to do and why (ditto the John Eaves 25% drama)
It's a bit like the Animated Series being de-canonized in the 90's. Was it because Gene wasn't happy with it's content as everyone reported at the time, or because the Filmation bankruptcy muddied the waters of who actually owned it?
Not as bad as Phlox’s
To be fair their is not really much of a plot. Two teenage girls fight and get over it after space 9/11 happens. People are talking about why the aliens attacked so it's not like that angle isn't being covered. Nothing really about the girls because they are not likely going to be important. Thus your left with detail talk which of course will involve spaceships. I am surprised though people haven't talked about the clothes. Does everyone like it people are now wearing more contemporary clothing in this time period?
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No, I didn't like it. Another thing which implied earlier timeframe to me. It is also highly unrealistic.
I didn't notice the clothes, because they didn't draw attention to themselves. I think that's a good thing.
This thread has made me suspect that half of the people merely listen these episodes instead of watching them... Though in this instance that would make following the plot a bit difficult.
The clothes didn't bother me. Civilian clothing changes so little over the course of the 235-odd years between "Broken Bow, Part I(ENT)" and "Children of Mars" that most of the fashions we see could believably come from the late 24th century. Just contemporary enough that we could recognize them as modern, real world fashion but just futuristic enough with different lapels and collars and cuts to jackets that they're recognizable as coming from the same fictional reality as, say, Kirk's leisure jacket in TWOK, TSFS and TVH or the casual wear in the future alternate timeline scenes of "Endgame, Part I(VOY)."
Clothes were fine, but futuristic science fiction usually presents an opportunity for the designers to go crazy. Like when Luc Besson got Jean Paul Gaultier to do costume design for The Fifth Element.
Putting future humans in plain, recognizable clothes seems rather unremarkable and boring in comparison.
Star Trek: Into Darkness did the civilian clothes really well, IMO.
Putting future humans in plain, recognizable clothes seems rather unremarkable and boring in comparison.
Star Trek: Into Darkness did the civilian clothes really well, IMO.
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She should. Sybok was still around during Spock's childhood, with Sybok's exile happening sometime around when Spock was 5-10. Spock obviously spent time around Sybok, and indeed a deleted scene from TFF indicates Spock was the last person Sybok talked to on Vulcan before leaving. I'm not sure how Amanda could be married to Sarek and have a child with him and not know the young fellow who hangs out with Spock and presumably shows up for Vulcan Thanksgiving dinner is another of Sarek's sons.
Yes. Seriously, the civilian clothing seen in TNG, DS9 and Voyager was terrible, ugly and looked uncomfortable. I used to make the joke people must join Starfleet just to get decent clothes. So I have no problem seeing contemporary clothes on Star Trek.
Of course, the fact we saw people wearing contemporary clothes was one of the things that appealed to me most about Ron Moore's BSG, I considered it a breath of fresh air compared to all the ugly ill-fitting jumpsuits you typically see civilians wearing on space shows. Yet people wearing a suit and tie has become one of the more frequently expressed criticisms of the show, with claims of it being "unimaginative." Because I guess imagination means we can't have comfortable good looking clothes that fit?
Agreed, the civilian clothes in Berman-era Star Trek were dreadful, to put it lightly.
The designers seemed to have had a thing for really ugly vests.
And ugly body suits.
Yeah, having studied "future" fashion, or what designers imagine might happen, Abrams Trek and ENT have done a better job than TNG and DS9, in my opinion.
It is unimaginative and highly unrealistic. People in future would not wear contemporary 20th/21st century clothes. Their fashion should look weird to us, like our fashion would look to weird to people of the past.
https://www.northwindprints.com/p/473/french-couple-royal-court-early-18th-century-5881184.jpg.webp
This is what people wore three hundred years ago. So clothes in Picard's time should look about equally divergent from our modern clothes than these.
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Problem being, you want 21st century people to watch the show. Doing weird civilian clothes is okay in limited doses, but if you're doing a series that is going to lean more heavily on the civilian side of things, you're going to want people to be able to relate to it.
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That's just completely silly. People watch period shows all the time. And this is scifi, if they can handle half of the people on screen being some rubberhead aliens, they can handle some avant-garde threads as well.
Period shows are history, and something most people will have been exposed to, to one degree or another. The futuristic clothing of Trek, to date, has been dire. Better to go with something more familiar.
You just don't have highly evolved fashion sense of the 24th century people.
But seriously, just hire a good and imaginative fashion designer. Why are people so boring? In another thread someone wanted spaceship interiors from three centuries in the future look like modern naval vessels. You can watch normal clothes and items all the time in every other show and in the real life. In scifi and fantasy I want something interesting and weird, even if it might look 'silly' to someone.
I find futurism off-putting. So I would gladly watch something set four or five hundred years in the future that's visually indistinguishable from modern times and be perfectly content with it.
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