Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

[The Wormhole]

What I didn't enjoy was the (what seemed to be a) ten minute commercial break that CTV Sci-Fi Channel* felt they needed to stick in the middle of an eight minute short. It really disrupted the flow of the episode.

Oh, damn, that annoyed the hell out of me too. Especially since it was the same commercials shown in the exact same order, looped three or four times. Watching the Short on CTV Sci-Fi On Demand makes it far more palatable. There's still a commercial break, but it's just one commercial that takes up less time than the cable box's skip feature.

I still haven't got used to this kludgey new name. Can we just agree to call it "Sci-Fi" from here on out? It's not like SyFy in the US is technically using it anymore....

Hell, I know people who are refusing the acknowledge the new name and are still calling it Space.

I think the other way around is stranger--that there's no mention of Sybok at all in Discovery...

Given the way Disco season 2 ended, I just assume Sarek, Amanda and Spock are already pretending Sybok never existed. Makes about as much sense as suddenly pretending Michael never existed.

 

[cooleddie74]

"He was banished from Vulcan...never to return."

And that is enough reason for Spock, Sarek, Amanda and Michael to have not mentioned him. He was an outcast and considered dangerous to Vulcan society. Even if, say, Amanda and Michael as humans didn't truly believe Sybok to be an actual threat to the stability of Vulcan with his embrace of emotions and quest for Sha-Ka-Ree they would still avoid talking about such a dishonored individual in front of their spouse and foster parent.

Spock could also have borne the brunt of Sarek's disappointment in Sybok's rebelliousness with their father turning his insanely high expectations on the only remaining son.

 

[The Wormhole]

Still, I think a nice moment to have mentioned Sybok would have been in the finale. When Spock notes in his log that Sarek and Amanda are now pretending Michael never existed, have Spock add something like "much as father already does regarding my brother."

 

[Phily B]

I dislike if they're gonna do a 9/11 parallel and have Starfleet, 20 years later, decide to become a bit more authoritarian and xenophobic.

I get what they're doing, but it doesn't work in the context of 24th century Trek. One of the better parts of DS9 was that the Changelings, the Borg - all these external threats? They unified the Federation and used it to advance. Even the JJverse did it in the similar way. I'm not a fan of an attack on Mars being an instrument for change.

 

[cooleddie74]

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

But in-universe I get why none of them bother to mention him.

 

[Danja]

I dislike if they're gonna do a 9/11 parallel and have Starfleet, 20 years later, decide to become a bit more authoritarian and xenophobic.

I get what they're doing, but it doesn't work in the context of 24th century Trek. One of the better parts of DS9 was that the Changelings, the Borg - all these external threats? They unified the Federation and used it to advance. Even the JJverse did it in the similar way. I'm not a fan of an attack on Mars being an instrument for change.

Who's left behind as the Federation "advances"?

That's the question Picard is asking.

 

[fireproof78]

One of the better parts of DS9 was that the Changelings, the Borg - all these external threats?

The one thing about the Changelings though is that they increased the paranoia of the population. The Borg can turn your enemies against you-with the Changelings they may have already done so.

That's not a threat you just shake off.

 

[Phily B]

The one thing about the Changelings though is that they increased the paranoia of the population. The Borg can turn your enemies against you-with the Changelings they may have already done so.

That's not a threat you just shake off.

Yeah, but after all these threats - why would a minor attack on Mars by "terrorists" turn Federation towards authoritarian policies? I think they should avoid that. They flirted with it in DS9 and I think the prevailing idea of Star Trek is ultimately the rejection of the right wing type politics.

 

[Phoenix219]

Very disingenuous correlation between "authoritarian" policies and right wing politics. Its rather insulting.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, but after all these threats - why would a minor attack on Mars by "terrorists" turn Federation towards authoritarian policies? I think they should avoid that. They flirted with it in DS9 and I think the prevailing idea of Star Trek is ultimately the rejection of the right wing type politics.

Because it comes so soon after them knowing peace. The peace was too fragile, and just when they felt safe another attack happens.

Protecting oneself is a very human response, politics aside. Even if Star Trek ultimately rejects "right wing politics" that doesn't mean they will not be tempted to utilize such protectionist principles due to fear.

Very disingenuous correlation between "authoritarian" policies and right wing politics. Its rather insulting.

This isn't the thread to discuss right wing or left or their definition. That's TNZ territory. ​

 

[Phily B]

Very disingenuous correlation between "authoritarian" policies and right wing politics. Its rather insulting.

Whatever, right wing politics aren't really compatible with the future of Star Trek. I get that that's what they're going for, but I'd prefer if they kept in mind that the Star Trek future is a complete rejection of that.

 

[fireproof78]

So much for IDIC.

 

[thribs]

"Admiral Picard reacts to Mars Attack"

I fail to see his reaction to a 400-year-old movie is relevant at the end there.

 

[fireproof78]

"Admiral Picard reacts to Mars Attack"

I fail to see his reaction to a 400-year-old movie is relevant at the end there.

It was a really bad movie.

 

[cooleddie74]

Captain Kirk's echo inside the Nexus reacts to Admiral Picard:

"What, you RETIRED?!? WHAT DID I TELL YOU?!!?"

 

[Longinus]

So much for IDIC.

Tolerance doesn't need to tolerate intolerance.

 

[Danja]

Whatever, right wing politics aren't really compatible with the future of Star Trek. I get that that's what they're going for, but I'd prefer if they kept in mind that the Star Trek future is a complete rejection of that.

Is it?

How far away are we really from Lord of the Flies territory?

Several million Romulans have just lost their homeworld. How will the Federation handle it?

 

[Greg Cox]

"Admiral Picard reacts to Mars Attack"

I fail to see his reaction to a 400-year-old movie is relevant at the end there.

You need to see it in the original Klingon.

 

[fireproof78]

Tolerance doesn't need to tolerate intolerance.

Not all right wing people are intolerant. That's the whole point.

 

[Longinus]

Not all right wing people are intolerant. That's the whole point.

They merely vote for politicians who implement discriminatory policies...