The “synths” could’ve still caught the system unprepared and easily dispatched a Galaxy. As much as I love them, they have the battle stamina of tissue paper in many encounters.
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The “synths” could’ve still caught the system unprepared and easily dispatched a Galaxy. As much as I love them, they have the battle stamina of tissue paper in many encounters.
This exchange is leading me to believe you're arguing you think DSC ships don't belong in the Post-NEM era.
This exchange is leading me to believe you're arguing you think DSC ships don't belong in the Post-NEM era.
Excluded entirely? No. Part of a mix with newer designs? I don’t have an issue with.
Have you ever met Star Trek fans?
Agreed. And these ship "issues" can easily be retconned. The new Star Wars films make it clear that Poe Darmeron's Resistance X-Wing is far more advanced than Luke Skywalker's X-Wing from the Rebellion, despite looking basically the same. It may be the same situation with these "old" Discovery ships in the Picard era.
Honestly, I wasn't talking about intellectual property issues, which are a whole other thing. I was just talking salaries, overtime, hiring freelancers, etc.
Remember the old saying about doing it best, doing it cheap, and doing it on time? You can have any two of those, but almost never all three.
Frankly, I think they should be excluded entirely. 150 year old design still being in use is simply ridiculous. Ambassador is about the oldest class that reasonably should be in service.
It also makes sense if they're gonna do more pre-TOS era stuff, which seems likely. The each era should have their own distinct look.
Budget will likely be a huge factor. Why build new when you already have usable assets? I’m hoping “Children of Mars” is the outlier, and Discovery assets are kept in the background in Picard.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if a fan re-edited the starship scenes to replace the Disco ships with their own 24th century ships to "correct" the episode.
Or maybe it will all be explained in a flashback in the Picard show.
Geordi (on viewscreen): Admiral, the reason we're using 23rd century designs is that...
Rogue synth (attacks Geordi): Die meatbag die!
Geordi: AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
Picard: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or maybe it will all be explained in a flashback in the Picard show.
Geordi (on viewscreen): Admiral, the reason we're using 23rd century designs is that...
Rogue synth (attacks Geordi): Die meatbag die!
Geordi: AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
Picard: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have no idea how much or how little they cared. Your insistence on using negatively charged language like "apathy" and "careless" toward people you don't know and a process you aren't a part of and have no clue about is disheartening, disgusting and disrespectful. We've no idea what the folks went through when budgeting and making this short. Maybe there was a guy how pulling his hair out trying to find a way to get the "right" ships in there. Or maybe he said "screw it's not that important". Again, we don't know.
That's just hype. And not really part of any budget making decisions. Being a superfan won't make money they don't have appear.
Yeah, a suicide run by a Jem'Hadar ship took out one and another was destroyed by using the chief engineer's VISOR to spy on the ship's shield frequency readout. I love the Galaxy-class but they are not the most resilient class of starship in Starfleet.
Fireproof brought the word 'apathy' to the discussion. Getting more appropriate ships is a thing that is easily within CBS' capabilities. As this didn't happen at some level of decision making someone had to 'not care' about doing it, because otherwise it would have happened! This really is simple logic and I really don't understand how this can be a controversial statement.
Why does this even matter? It was one shot, and had no impact whatsoever on the plot.
Have we ever actually heard it addressed onscreen anywhere how long Starfleet uses it's ship classes? With the kind of technology they have, it wouldn't be that hard to believe they can design ships classes that could be used for 100+ years.
According to Wikipedia in the modern US Navy the first class of air crafter carrier, the Forrestal class, was used from 1955 to 1998. If a modern navy can use one design for over 40 years, then I don't think it's totally unrealistic for a space navy 300 years form now to use it's ship classes 2-3 times as long.
Have we ever actually heard it addressed onscreen anywhere how long Starfleet uses it's ship classes? With the kind of technology they have, it wouldn't be that hard to believe they can design ships classes that could be used for 100+ years.
According to Wikipedia in the modern US Navy the first class of air crafter carrier, the Forrestal class, was used from 1955 to 1998. If a modern navy can use one design for over 40 years, then I don't think it's totally unrealistic for a space navy 300 years form now to use it's ship classes 2-3 times as long.
Again, you've no idea what the decision making process was or what level of "capabilities" CBS has granted the people making this short.
It's "controversial" because it comes from ignorance and has little to do with logic.
ETA: While fireproof may have brought up the word he wasn't using it as a pejorative to denigrate the work ethic and motivations of people he doesn't know. Which is something you've done constantly.
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Speaking as somebody who's been involved in the fan film production process I know that a very limited running time combined with budget constraints can present challenges in creating visuals. Sure, CBS has a metric ton more money than a fan film production team will ever have but the situation is similar.
Eight minutes, at least two of which is credits. Almost every scene takes place inside a building. One brief scene of two starships in drydock orbiting Utopia Planitia was not going to get the royal treatment from the CGI effects team. I don't like seeing them either, but nobody is going to pour that much resources into one brief shot in a short film that has a briefer running time than some experimental student films or YouTube rant videos about TROS.
I'm pretty forgiving about this. I wasn't expecting grandiose visuals from this thing.
Eight minutes, at least two of which is credits. Almost every scene takes place inside a building. One brief scene of two starships in drydock orbiting Utopia Planitia was not going to get the royal treatment from the CGI effects team. I don't like seeing them either, but nobody is going to pour that much resources into one brief shot in a short film that has a briefer running time than some experimental student films or YouTube rant videos about TROS.
I'm pretty forgiving about this. I wasn't expecting grandiose visuals from this thing.
Yes, it is perfectly possible that CBS didn't grant Short Treks enough resources for new meshes. Even likely. And that means that the person at CBS who assigned those resources didn't care enough about there being mew meshes to assign appropriate budget! Seriously. The budget is not some act of god which randomly materialises out of nowhere and no person can affect that. This is human activity and at some point, at some level, someone made decisions. It feels utterly bizarre that I need to explain this, as it should be perfectly self evident..
Because it isn't their job to care about new meshes. It is their job to assign a budget to the project under whatever guidelines CBS gives them.
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