I just rewatched it, and there isn't a lot there to really discuss.
Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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I just rewatched it, and there isn't a lot there to really discuss.
Yes, people will probably know that Picard is coming, but Short Treks has been in the 23rd century the whole time and started as Discovery spin off. You know, people might just watch TV shows like normal people and not obsess about them and read forums and news articles about them like we do? And sure, they'll get it in the end, but it is just poor story telling if the era is only established at that point or in some outside source.
Let's hope so!
There were 23rd century ships on TNG. Why does it matter if a ship model from Discovery was reused, reusing ship models in different eras (some just turned upside down) is a proud Trek production tradition.
Poor Geordi... I guess the warp core bulkhead was too fast for him...
It looks like the old-style Spacedock was totally destroyed, too. My god that's a lot of pain...
It looks like the old-style Spacedock was totally destroyed, too. My god that's a lot of pain...
It always bugged me a bit even then, But the time difference was not nearly as big and the era was firmly established regardless.
I should also say that given how sloppy the VFX team on Discovery seems to have been historically at interpreting the intent of the writers, I am really happy they're not the same people.
Well we already have some evidence of this, the shots they used of the Kite Ships attacking mars are already outdated compared to the most recent Picard teasers, as they're missing the Starfleet Delta on their right wing.
It’s just background details that are just there so they can have a ship and doesn’t have any impact on the story. It just doesn’t affect my enjoyment, especially since it’s a short.
I totally get that Star Trek is different things to different people and some love it for the characters or stories. Others love it for the optimistic vision of the future. Even still, some love it for the tech. I appreciate that.
However, I think the focus on the ship overriding discussion of anything else is a little much. Its one shot. There are a myriad of reasons why there could be a ship from the 2250s in this episode. Pick a rationale for your own personal head canon and go with it. We're Star Trek fans! It's kinda what we do.
Other than that, it is a beautiful little tale, just what these Short Treks are supposed to be.
However, I think the focus on the ship overriding discussion of anything else is a little much. Its one shot. There are a myriad of reasons why there could be a ship from the 2250s in this episode. Pick a rationale for your own personal head canon and go with it. We're Star Trek fans! It's kinda what we do.
Other than that, it is a beautiful little tale, just what these Short Treks are supposed to be.
The issue is - there's really not much else to discuss RE this last short unless you want to get into a HTH tactics discussion between two teenage girls.
If I can watch the whole short and figure out the era based on the stories then the ships are a detail and don't require further attention.
And I can. And, as much as I would like to think so, I'm not the smartest guy in the room.
And I can. And, as much as I would like to think so, I'm not the smartest guy in the room.
I don't know I could see people using really really really old junkers if things are space Mad Max enough in the 32nd century.
It was a 9/11 allegory and seems to be tied to whatever changed Starfleet and the Federation, there’s a lot to talk about.
The issue is - there's really not much else to discuss RE this last short unless you want to get into a HTH tactics discussion between two teenage girls.
Despite the fact that Possum is right and there's a lot more to discuss, the time discussing the ship could be spent coming up with an explanation as opposed to the incessant complaining. Just a thought.
But would you have, before end, without information outside the show? Because I don't think anyone could have, except by a pure guess.
Also, the amount of time between the Federation's 9/11 analogue and Picard's present is roughly the same as between our 9/11 and the present. Which is appropriate, because where Enterprise - as a post 9/11 show - wanted to explore the immediate aftermath (and had the same disturbing pro-torture turn that a lot of media did after 9/11) Picard seems more interested in exploring how a generation or so after a terrorist attack we find that society has changed irrevocably.
Explanation is easy, and not really the point. Point is that it was lazy, the era was not established until the end, and probably most importantly people fear they might do this in the actual Picard series.Despite the fact that Possum is right and there's a lot more to discuss, the time discussing the ship could be spent coming up with an explanation as opposed to the incessant complaining. Just a thought.
Okay. It was lazy. No one is really arguing that. But 100 posts saying the same thing gets old.
Maybe, maybe not. Hard for me to judge since I already know.
For me, and this is just me, if I am so focused on the ships that it takes me out of the story to guess when it happens before the end, then the story hasn't fully engaged me. But, if by the end I know the rest of the story and can figure it out, then it works for me.
And its a common enough storytelling trope that it is not a problem for me. Mileage will definitely vary, but the lack of full context of the setting is old hat to me.
I don't think it was lazy at all.
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