If people think that these videos are so discussion-worthy, they could actually be discussing them, here in this thread, instead of whining about censorship.
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The post you just quoted said they’re allowed, just not as their own thread, post and talk about them here.
If I started a thread where I posted a YouTube Video and nothing else, then said "Discuss!", it would be moved here too.
I'm pro-Picard but the rules apply the same to me as well.
I'm pro-Picard but the rules apply the same to me as well.
Yes, I would love for actual discussion to happen around these videos that are supposedly so insightful.
I'll not watch them because I do enjoy Mr. Plinkett's review style. It is no longer funny to me and thus doesn't appeal.
But, if their arguments are so strong I'm sure someone can restate them.
At one point Mike in the Plinkett video claimed that Picard and Data were never really friends but strictly colleagues, I’m not sure how he got that impression. He likes to trot out those clips of a stern Picard in TNG not seeming to be impacted by Data’s fake death in "The Most Toys", but he conveniently leaves out everything else that shows Picard actually was affected by Data's "death" and was shown to bothered when he was alone. Picard rarely hung out with his crew but he most certainly did with Data, or was sharing Shakespeare in order to help Data get in touch with his own humanity just one of the duties of being a starship captain?
The impression I get from Mike is that he's very much attached to a version of Picard that no longer exists. He's attached to the Picard that rarely got out of his way to be social with most of the crew (only hanging out with Data, Crusher, and Guinan). But Picard is no longer that guy, and hasn't been ever since he broke out of his shell like in the finale where he finally felt comfortable to join the poker table and look at his shipmates as friends rather than just as colleagues. He's also no longer awkward interacting with children, as the episode "Damage" always for me his breakthrough point in learning how to interact with children on a human level. So now by the newer show Picard has grown to be a much more sentimental man in his old age. It's also a very different dynamic because he's no longer a starship captain that has to project a certain image in order to lead, instead he's a guy hiring a ship to take him places. This means we don't have to see a man who feels the need to be reserved. He's now wearing his feelings on his sleeves.
The impression I get from Mike is that he's very much attached to a version of Picard that no longer exists. He's attached to the Picard that rarely got out of his way to be social with most of the crew (only hanging out with Data, Crusher, and Guinan). But Picard is no longer that guy, and hasn't been ever since he broke out of his shell like in the finale where he finally felt comfortable to join the poker table and look at his shipmates as friends rather than just as colleagues. He's also no longer awkward interacting with children, as the episode "Damage" always for me his breakthrough point in learning how to interact with children on a human level. So now by the newer show Picard has grown to be a much more sentimental man in his old age. It's also a very different dynamic because he's no longer a starship captain that has to project a certain image in order to lead, instead he's a guy hiring a ship to take him places. This means we don't have to see a man who feels the need to be reserved. He's now wearing his feelings on his sleeves.
I'm confused, why exactly do I need to "address any criticism" at all? I like the show, I'm guessing this Plinkett person does not. Why should I give a shit enough about what he thinks to address it? Why does fandom have to devolve into justifying your own opinion, whether it's that you like it or don't like it, to some random people on the internet? If you like it, great, if you don't, go find something that you do like. No harm no foul.
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Best advice here.
Because certain people with a point of view want to feel their opinion is validated, and many seem to like using a fictional serial killer that locks dead hookers in the basement for that validation.
This is akin to giving TSFS a negative review because the crew didn't seem that close to Spock in the first season of TOS.
It also confirms what I've suspected. A lot of people are relying off faded memory when it comes to comparing and contrasting Picard with TNG and its movies. I went out of my way to re-watch them so I'd know what I was talking about. It doesn't look like they did. Or were very selective in what they chose to re-watch. "Here are a few key episodes! And I think I remember the rest! I'll be good to go!"
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Mike seems to be pretty super familiar with Trek just enough that he should be able to pick up those things, I think he’s just too attached to the Picard from 30 years ago because that was his childhood. If he had it his way, I’m sure he’d have ignored the growth of the character and have Picard act exactly as he used to in the early seasons of the show.
I’ll give RLM this, they’re very excellent at editing footage to make their point across. The problem is that they tend to do that to create their own narrative and ignore context, like how he trots out that clip from “The Most Toys” to make it look like Picard wasn’t impacted by Data’s fake death. In doing so he’s manipulating his audience into thinking that’s what Picard was, but if you know TNG very well you’d know he’s leaving so much out of context.
I’ll give RLM this, they’re very excellent at editing footage to make their point across. The problem is that they tend to do that to create their own narrative and ignore context, like how he trots out that clip from “The Most Toys” to make it look like Picard wasn’t impacted by Data’s fake death. In doing so he’s manipulating his audience into thinking that’s what Picard was, but if you know TNG very well you’d know he’s leaving so much out of context.
It'll be interesting to see what people think if they ever decide to make a series that follows up on the DS9 side of things.
Disagreement with RLM is pretty much banned off /r/redlettermedia though. It is literally in the rules you can't post videos that rebuke or respond to RLM.
What about Zhaban, Laris, Elnor, the Qowat Milat and Raffi's daughter-in-law? It seems like the first season of Picard had more positive portrayals of Romulans than we got in seven seasons of TNG.
You guys must be watching another series called Star Trek: Picard because I don't recognize most of what the heck you're complaining about. And even the legitimate gripes are being overblown as some vast conspiracy to sabotage and destroy the concept of "real" Trek.
Indeed. I swear I am watching completely different shows than others. I know that "man is the measure of all things" (thanks Protagorus) but I swear there is a weird perceptual filter with these shows.
The Romulans in Picard are pretty much the Romulans as they were in TNG. Nothing remarkable about that.
If Picard is "teaching you to be a racist," then all of Trek is - and, ironically, there's just a germ of truth in that. In the 1960s, even progressive folk were less sensitive to casual generalizing about groups of people - it was certainly an accepted source of humor on all kinds of TV shows. And from its inception, Trek tended to assign broad, simple characteristics to their alien creations that they would probably have had the good sense to avoid if the characters had been representative of some existing human ethnicity or background.
Without meaning to, the folks creating this were reinforcing the principle of group stereotyping that underlies racism itself.
By the time TNG and DS9 were through, this had become an ossified trope of the franchise - Romulans were cruel, Ferengi were greedy, Klingons were bloodthirsty, Cardassians were ruthless fascists etc.
The amusing thing about all this was that writers were able to leverage this to portray the Trek worldview as insightful and progressive simply by creating individual characters who just played against type - look, a secretly sentimental and (occasionally) generous Ferengi! We're telling you that you can't judge people by background after all! They're just like us! Whoa!
If Picard is "teaching you to be a racist," then all of Trek is - and, ironically, there's just a germ of truth in that. In the 1960s, even progressive folk were less sensitive to casual generalizing about groups of people - it was certainly an accepted source of humor on all kinds of TV shows. And from its inception, Trek tended to assign broad, simple characteristics to their alien creations that they would probably have had the good sense to avoid if the characters had been representative of some existing human ethnicity or background.
Without meaning to, the folks creating this were reinforcing the principle of group stereotyping that underlies racism itself.
By the time TNG and DS9 were through, this had become an ossified trope of the franchise - Romulans were cruel, Ferengi were greedy, Klingons were bloodthirsty, Cardassians were ruthless fascists etc.
The amusing thing about all this was that writers were able to leverage this to portray the Trek worldview as insightful and progressive simply by creating individual characters who just played against type - look, a secretly sentimental and (occasionally) generous Ferengi! We're telling you that you can't judge people by background after all! They're just like us! Whoa!
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So two butlers, elf boy, a nun, and a silent pregnant woman. Doesn’t make much of a case compared to a whole borg cube and 200 ships worth of crew. And other than elf boy none of them really do anything. Is that better than TNG? I think I could make a case it isn’t, considering Spock’s resistance, Admiral Jarok, “Commodore”, the Romulans in Timescape, and even the ones in The Chase. But even if it was the case TNG would be wrong and Picard would be wrong. Two wrongs don’t make a right
Thanks for sharing this.
The irony of the people complaining about censorship here is too good.
Let me grab the popcorn. @cooleddie74 I'm expecting beer.
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