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I don't take them seriously at all and their way of using is offensive to me regardless of the origins behind it. I get what they are trying to go for but their shtick just got old and became more offensive rather than interesting.

Morbid humor is fine and all but their delivery doesn't work. Mileage will vary.
 
I don't want to be the one supporting them here, but that was part of the joke. They are horror movie fans who created a traditional kind of serial killer (the prostitute-murdering kind who would, of course, have misogynistic views on women), and used that to plug in their own views of the movies and shows.

Not every view espoused by Plinkett, a horrifying killer, is supposed to be taken literally from the mouth of Mike Stoklasa, even if it comes literally from the mouth of Mike Stoklasa. It's just a confusing dynamic they set up for morbid humor.

Even in Half in the Bag, they play caricatures of themselves. This Re:view series, which I haven't seen, and I suppose the Best of the Worst, are the only times where we can take their words sincerely. But they're still comedians doing jokes, so we should always look at context.

But when Mr. Plinkett says something about killing prostitutes, we're intended to roll our eyes at the exaggerations being made, not treat it as a disrespect for women. A point to be made: Stoklasa's wife used to be a regular on Half in the Bag, but she had to leave because some of the fans of the show used some incredibly disparaging remarks (probably just jokes, of course, taking the Plinkett personality too far in YouTube comments, but who knows). These guys aren't their characters, and have taken measures to protect themselves from the fallout of their comedy, but not perfectly so. We shouldn't fall into the same trap as some of their more fervent fans and take them too seriously.

I just injured myself from rolling my eyes so far.

No one thinks these guys are actually murderers. We understand the joke. But the joke isn't funny, and it's still asking us to be amused at the thought of women being brutally murdered. The jokes are misogynistic.
 
I just injured myself from rolling my eyes so far.

No one thinks these guys are actually murderers. We understand the joke. But the joke isn't funny, and it's still asking us to be amused at the thought of women being brutally murdered. The jokes are misogynistic.
Have you ever been entertained by a story, movie or documentary that involved people getting killed/murdered?
 
Have you ever been entertained by a story, movie or documentary that involved people getting killed/murdered?

There is a very big difference between deriving aesthetic pleasure from seeing a main character overcome danger which others do not, and finding humor in the idea of murdering women.
 
There is a very big difference between deriving aesthetic pleasure from seeing a main character overcome danger which others do not, and finding humor in the idea of murdering women.

I don't think that's where the humor of the Plinkett reviews are to be derived from. They were created at a time when people were going on YouTube and creating these large, silly characters to review movies/TV shows/comic books in their own mythos (Nostalgia Critic, Linkara, etc.), and I think Plinkett was supposed to be a breakdown of that idea, using the most destructive but cliche type horror trope of a serial killer.

These guys are obviously joke-tellers, so they infused a character of pure hate-filled homocidal misogyny, with jokes about pizza rolls, sex with cats, and a legitimate criticism of the TNG movies (and much later the SW prequels). Those seven reviews they did were intended to be the entirety of the Plinkett mythos, as it is clearly a one-note joke that got out of hand.

Classic Plinkett has made very few appearances since, with his Half in the Bag persona being just a doddering old man (with jokes exaggerating elder problems) and not a serial killer as in the longer reviews.

If I recall correctly, the protagonist of the Episode III review wasn't even Plinkett. He was the antagonist, with one of his victims returning as a "Final Girl" for revenge as the protagonist. She overcame danger in the classic hero's journey. I don't recall the storyline from the later main series reviews, as I only saw bits and pieces.
 
No one thinks these guys are actually murderers. We understand the joke. But the joke isn't funny, and it's still asking us to be amused at the thought of women being brutally murdered. The jokes are misogynistic.

That's one way to read it, but I don't know it's the one correct way, nor the way it's intended -- and I say this as someone who doesn't find the jokes funny and feels they take away from otherwise insightful reviews. RLM tends to take potshots at their own obsessive fanboi loser tendencies, as they did in their "Pathetic Man-Child Destroys 2,387 Vintage Star Wars Figures" video, which both reflects Mike's honest frustrations with Disney Star Wars while also making his own emotional investment look pathetic and sad. As unfunny as I find the Plinkett stuff, within the context of the reviews it functions much the same way, exaggerating the obsessive and antisocial tendencies that would lead to somebody -- in this cake, Mike/Plinkett -- caring so damn much that they'd make a 2 hour video about Attack of the Clones.

Don't find it funny, point out how it's a worrying trend in media to show women being harmed as part of a joke, say RLM has bad taste, what have you, but I really don't think they're misogynistic and I don't think we're supposed to derive amusement from women being tortured and murdered.

(Yes, I know: you were calling the jokes misogynistic not the people and we live in a misogynistic society and there's rape culture, motivation doesn't mater because men benefit from power + privilege and it's systemic etc etc etc I've read so many critiques I feel like I know exactly what your reply will be.)
 
(Yes, I know: you were calling the jokes misogynistic not the people and we live in a misogynistic society and there's rape culture, motivation doesn't mater because men benefit from power + privilege and it's systemic etc etc etc I've read so many critiques I feel like I know exactly what your reply will be.)

You summed it up!
 
For me, the humor doesn't land, but that's not the main reason. My frustration comes from the fact that they are dropped in as though that sums up the points being made against or for a show. Now, I'm totally guilty of this too and that's part of my frustration. I've seen how I used it and it unfortunately ends up stopping discussion rather that adding to it (or, in the case of this thread discussing misogyny).

In the case of RLM it simply comes down to their point is lost in poor humor and really crass delivery.
 
Great, all you need to do now is invent a time machine to get to those ancient days when they actually made those jokes and demand a full apology.
 
Does this count?

It doesn't really fit IMO with the imagery, except at the very end when the NX-01 shows up and the theme ends with the little part of the TNG theme.
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Kyle Sullivan at the YouTube channel Trekspertise has posted a review of Star Trek: Picard Season One. I don't agree with a lot of what he argues (and I suspect that with hindsight he'll moderate some of his reaction), but I want to post his review because it's a goddamn unicorn: It's criticism of Star Trek: Picard that's thoughtful, proportional in intensity, balanced in its acknowledgment of what does and does not work for the reviewer, and comes from a place of good faith rather than fanboy toxicity!

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