Picard made First Contact with 27 civilisations?

[garak1]

Hi,

I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?


A few obvious ones to start with:

• Borg
• Ferengi
• Q
• Cytherians
• Travellers

I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.

 

[AgentCoop]

^The Children Of Tama

 

[Bad Thoughts]

The Mintakans.

 

[JarodRussell]

Do the Ba'ku count? Technically, he was the first official representative to deal with them.

 

[BillJ]

Archer made first contact with the Borg and Ferengi.

 

[BriGuy]

^The Children Of Tama

Nope, I don't think they count.

"First contact" had previously taken place; Enterprise's mission was to attempt to establish communications.

"Several" previous attempts had failed, so first contact had already occurred.

The Memory Alpha article only notes three examples, Q, Ferengi and Borg, fyi.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hi,

I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?


A few obvious ones to start with:

• Borg
• Ferengi
• Q
• Cytherians
• Travellers

I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.

Some could have been while he was Captain of the Stargazer.

 

[Skywalker]

Yes, I imagine that number would include his 20+ years commanding the Stargazer. At least I hope it does. Twenty-seven first contacts in less than a decade seems rather improbable to me.

 

[C.E. Evans]

^^^
Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.

 

[Avro Arrow]

^ I guess it depends whether you define "first contact" as the first time you encounter a new alien race, or when you make *official* first contact and say "hi, we're the Federation", like Picard did with the Malcorians. The latter would tend to be much more rare.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Archer made first contact with the Borg and Ferengi.

 

[Skywalker]

^^^
Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.

Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.

 

[C.E. Evans]

^ I guess it depends whether you define "first contact" as the first time you encounter a new alien race, or when you make *official* first contact and say "hi, we're the Federation", like Picard did with the Malcorians. The latter would tend to be much more rare.

I don't think there's too much of a difference, except the latter usually involves more documentation for the record books.

^^^
Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.

Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.

Nah, Janeway and Kirk both still count as racking up more than twenty first contacts within a decade (most of the ones Kirk encountered were brand-new to the Federation too, not just because TOS came first).

 

[starburst]

^^^
Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.

Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.

It doesnt matter if they were new to the show or not, to Earth they were the first to meet the Andorians, first to visit the Klingon Homeworld etc etc...

It would be interesting to work out how many of those happened during TNG's run on screen, others happening off screen during TNG, the movies or before hand.

Would be terrible if there were easily more than that number during the episodes of the show alone.

 

[AgentCoop]

^The Children Of Tama

Nope, I don't think they count.

"First contact" had previously taken place; Enterprise's mission was to attempt to establish communications.

"Several" previous attempts had failed, so first contact had already occurred.

The Memory Alpha article only notes three examples, Q, Ferengi and Borg, fyi.

But does it count as first contact if no meaningful communication takes place? If all that's required is for both species to be aware of each other's existence, doesn't that set the bar really low?

As I recall, the Federation and the Ferengi were very aware of each other, but it took Picard to officially make first contact.

 

[Finn]

Hi,

I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?


A few obvious ones to start with:

• Borg
• Ferengi
• Q
• Cytherians
• Travellers

I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.

I wouldn't count Travellers, since he came aboard with a fellow starfleet officer.

 

[BillJ]

I wouldn't count Travellers, since he came aboard with a fellow starfleet officer.

Kozinski wasn't with Starfleet. Though I'd imagine that the Traveler likely did interact with Starfleet officers prior to coming aboard the Enterprise due to being Kozinski's assistant.

 

[Warped9]

James Kirk: 36

“The Corbomite Maneuver” - The First Federation.
“Charlie X” - Thasians
“The Squire Of Gothos” - Trelane
“Miri” - humanoids, anway
“Shore Leave” - the Caretaker representing his humanoid race (if thats what he really looked like)
“Arena” - Gorn and Metrons
“The Alternative Factor” - whatever race the two Lazurus were
“The Devil In The Dark” - the Horta
“Errand Of Mercy” - the Oraganians in their true form
“Catspaw” - Korob and Sylvia
“The Gamesters Of Triskelion” - the Triskelion brains
“Who Mourns For Adonis?” - Apollo
“The Apple” - the Vaalians
“A Private Little War” - first contact 11 years earlier
“By Any Other Name” - the Kelvans
“Return To Tomorrow” - Sargon's race
“Spectre Of The Gun” - the Melkotians
“Spock’s Brain” - the inhabitants of Sigma Draconis 6
“For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky” - the Yonadans (technically Fabrini descendents)
“Wink Of An Eye” the Scalosians
“The Lights Of Zetar” - the Zetarians
“Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” - the Cheronians
“Plato’s Stepchildren” - the Platonians
“The Savage Curtain” - the Excalbians
“The Ambergris Element” - the Argoans
“Beyond The Farthest Star” - malevolent energy life form
“The Infinite Vulcan” - the Phylosians
“Once Upon A Planet” - cloud creature, but technically by Spock rather than Kirk
“Jihad” - the Skorr and the Vedala
“The Counter-Clock Incident” - anti--universe inhabitants
“BEM” - sentient reptile race
TMP - Vger

 

[Skywalker]

I retract my initial comment. Clearly I didn't think it through.

 

[Warped9]

There were actually more species encountered by Kirk, but technically someone else had already been there first.