Picard made First Contact with 27 civilisations?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by garak1, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. garak1

    garak1 Captain Captain

    Jan 1, 2003

    I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

    Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?

    A few obvious ones to start with:
    • Borg
    • Ferengi
    • Q
    • Cytherians
    • Travellers
    I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.
  2. AgentCoop

    AgentCoop Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    ^The Children Of Tama
  3. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Commodore Commodore

    Jun 19, 2013
    Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
    The Mintakans.
  4. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 2, 2009
    Do the Ba'ku count? Technically, he was the first official representative to deal with them.
  5. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Archer made first contact with the Borg and Ferengi. :lol:
  6. BriGuy

    BriGuy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 29, 2001
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA
    Nope, I don't think they count.

    "First contact" had previously taken place; Enterprise's mission was to attempt to establish communications.

    "Several" previous attempts had failed, so first contact had already occurred.

    The Memory Alpha article only notes three examples, Q, Ferengi and Borg, fyi.
  7. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    House of Kang
    Some could have been while he was Captain of the Stargazer.
  8. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Yes, I imagine that number would include his 20+ years commanding the Stargazer. At least I hope it does. Twenty-seven first contacts in less than a decade seems rather improbable to me.
  9. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

    Nov 22, 2001
    Saint Louis, Missouri, USA
    Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.
  10. Avro Arrow

    Avro Arrow Rear Admiral Moderator

    Jan 10, 2003
    Aboard the USS Shenzhou
    ^ I guess it depends whether you define "first contact" as the first time you encounter a new alien race, or when you make *official* first contact and say "hi, we're the Federation", like Picard did with the Malcorians. The latter would tend to be much more rare.
  11. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    Taking up space
  12. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

    Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first. :p
  13. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

    Nov 22, 2001
    Saint Louis, Missouri, USA
    I don't think there's too much of a difference, except the latter usually involves more documentation for the record books.

    Nah, Janeway and Kirk both still count as racking up more than twenty first contacts within a decade (most of the ones Kirk encountered were brand-new to the Federation too, not just because TOS came first).
  14. starburst

    starburst Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 8, 2007
    It doesnt matter if they were new to the show or not, to Earth they were the first to meet the Andorians, first to visit the Klingon Homeworld etc etc...

    It would be interesting to work out how many of those happened during TNG's run on screen, others happening off screen during TNG, the movies or before hand.

    Would be terrible if there were easily more than that number during the episodes of the show alone.
  15. AgentCoop

    AgentCoop Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    But does it count as first contact if no meaningful communication takes place? If all that's required is for both species to be aware of each other's existence, doesn't that set the bar really low?

    As I recall, the Federation and the Ferengi were very aware of each other, but it took Picard to officially make first contact.
  16. Finn

    Finn Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 30, 2006
    I wouldn't count Travellers, since he came aboard with a fellow starfleet officer.
  17. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Kozinski wasn't with Starfleet. Though I'd imagine that the Traveler likely did interact with Starfleet officers prior to coming aboard the Enterprise due to being Kozinski's assistant. :techman:
  18. Warped9

    Warped9 Admiral Admiral

    Aug 3, 2003
    Brockville, Ontario, Canada
    James Kirk: 36

    “The Corbomite Maneuver” - The First Federation.
    “Charlie X” - Thasians
    “The Squire Of Gothos” - Trelane
    “Miri” - humanoids, anway
    “Shore Leave” - the Caretaker representing his humanoid race (if thats what he really looked like)
    “Arena” - Gorn and Metrons
    “The Alternative Factor” - whatever race the two Lazurus were
    “The Devil In The Dark” - the Horta
    “Errand Of Mercy” - the Oraganians in their true form
    “Catspaw” - Korob and Sylvia
    “The Gamesters Of Triskelion” - the Triskelion brains
    “Who Mourns For Adonis?” - Apollo
    “The Apple” - the Vaalians
    “A Private Little War” - first contact 11 years earlier
    “By Any Other Name” - the Kelvans
    “Return To Tomorrow” - Sargon's race
    “Spectre Of The Gun” - the Melkotians
    “Spock’s Brain” - the inhabitants of Sigma Draconis 6
    “For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky” - the Yonadans (technically Fabrini descendents)
    “Wink Of An Eye” the Scalosians
    “The Lights Of Zetar” - the Zetarians
    “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” - the Cheronians
    “Plato’s Stepchildren” - the Platonians
    “The Savage Curtain” - the Excalbians
    “The Ambergris Element” - the Argoans
    “Beyond The Farthest Star” - malevolent energy life form
    “The Infinite Vulcan” - the Phylosians
    “Once Upon A Planet” - cloud creature, but technically by Spock rather than Kirk
    “Jihad” - the Skorr and the Vedala
    “The Counter-Clock Incident” - anti--universe inhabitants
    “BEM” - sentient reptile race
    TMP - Vger
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2013
  19. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    I retract my initial comment. Clearly I didn't think it through. :p
  20. Warped9

    Warped9 Admiral Admiral

    Aug 3, 2003
    Brockville, Ontario, Canada
    There were actually more species encountered by Kirk, but technically someone else had already been there first.