Picard is Wesley's father?

[SiorX]

Re: Shocking new evidence!

Ooh, Christmas cookies. *Jealous*

Sorry. I'm still getting the hang of the cant of these boards.

As opposed to psychology, I was working on the very scientificy method of who the kid most looks like, which we call the biological proof of soap-opera narratology.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Re: Shocking new evidence!

SiorX said:
Sorry. I'm still getting the hang of the cant of these boards.

No problem.

SiorX said:
As opposed to psychology, I was working on the very scientificy method of who the kid most looks like, which we call the biological proof of soap-opera narratology.

That was funny!

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[3D Master]

Christopher said:
DS9 established that men take contraceptive injections in the 24th century, and probably women do too. So unplanned pregnancies would be very rare; a couple would have to choose to get their contraceptive shots neutralized.

Not quite. It establishes that there are contraceptive injections or pills or whatever that a man CAN take. The same way there are contraceptive pills right now for women (and the one for men is in development) that a woman CAN take. Just like that are other contraceptive measures that people CAN use.

Doesn't mean they WILL.

Doesn't mean persons can't forget (like Sisko and the result was pregnancy, they did not require to actively have it neutralized.)

 

[HRHTheKING]

That would have been a great ongoing story. A romance between Beverley and Picard with the revelation that they had a liason while Jack was still alive and Wesley is Picard's son. Wesley then finds out the truth and it leads to all sorts of complications and resentment.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Star Trek the Next Generation brought to you by the legendary Aaron Spelling.

Watch next week as:

Riker confronted Picard in his readyroom. "I've seen the way you leer at Deanna. Stay away from her."

Picard tried to reason with his first officer. "Commander, I assure you . . ."

Riker shoved past him on his way back to the bridge. "Your assurances mean nothing, Captain. After all, everyone now knows what went on between you and Beverly Crusher while her late husband Jack Crusher served under you on the Stargazer."

Meanwhile in the ship's arboretum, Deanna Troi and Beverly Crusher struggled against each other in a vicious catfight.

Beverly grabbed one of the massive 'Joan Crawford' styled shoulder-pads on Deanna's Bob Mackey designer uniform and hurled her into the reflecting pool. "You may be younger with a huge bustline but I'm much meaner. There is no way I'll slink away so you can move up from the first officer's bed to the captain's bed, tramp!"

Deanna spit at Beverly. "Takes one to know one, you redheaded slut!"


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Sisu]

There's no hotter place....than the Enterprise place....

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bev could have had jean Luc's baby without anyone cheating. Timetravel fetal transport baby swapping.

I mean in the future, Bev and JC, get busy and get married, but she can't carry their baby to term... So they use her past self as a surrogate.

 

[SiorX]

I wanna see the episode where Ro shows up at Riker and Troi's wedding and reveals that she's already married to Troi.

(Meanwhile Data and Geordi have a spate of ill luck. Could it be connected to dilithium crystals they found on their last shoreleave? The ones the old Vulcan told them were cursed.)

 

[Sisu]

And Guinan develops her "bad girl" reputation by dismantling her personal shuttle and reconstructing it besides the ship's arboretum - shirtless.

 

[WillsBabe]

The camera lovingly pans around a darkened bedroom. It's obviously inhabited by a woman, given the perfume bottles and hairbrush on the dressing table. It lingers for a moment on the intimate items of clothing over the back of a chair before carefully running across the bedclothes. The bedclothes are expensive but obviously futuristic, and are dislodged as the occupant moves to leave the bed. The occupant is not alone and the camera continues to slowly caress its way across a female form still in the bed, up her scantily-clad body, to her face. It's Deanna Troi. We watch her waking from a deep sleep. She opens her eyes. She can hear the sonic shower humming in the bathroom. A moment later we see the shower stall open. Its occupant steps out. It's Tasha Yar. She's wrapped in a peach coloured towel and obviously oblivious to the autidence's shocked reactions at home. She smiles at Deanna. Deanna is as puzzled as the audience, then she smiles. Oh, thank goodness, Tasha was never slimed to death on Vagra II! Seasons 2-7, including all the movies, but especially Nemesis, have just been a bad dream! Welcome to Season 8. Cue: Star Trek: TNG theme tune....

 

[Sisu]

And then Ro, having been sidelined as Riker's love interest in Conundrum rigs bombs in the waste recycling unit. The rest of the crew gather around. "It's not what you think!" says Ro, grabbing their attention. "It's worse!" And the bomb explodes.... fade to credits .... Cliffhanger!

 

[Canuck69]

I realise noone has posted in this thread for a looong time but there was just something I had to say. I can agree with the fact that canon has been written so that it is not possible for Picard to be Wes's father (i.e. attached and the feelings that were only being discovered then) but I have to disagree with some of the logic here as to why. Since I am new at this forum stuff I don't know how to quote directly so please cut me some slack as I try to make my point Further back in the thread someone was saying that they couldn't accept the fact that Bev and JL would ever do something like have an affair because it wasn't in their character. Well maybe we should look back a bit and see the interests they did have for what they were. With Vash for example, the first time OK it was exciting and new and fun. But what about his morals when she comes back a second time and he knows of her sneaky, promiscuious thieving ways but falls into bed with her anyway. If he can get with someone of that calibre not once but again after he knows how she is then why not have an affair with a friends wife/fiance. Might not be the same morals but it shows that when when the opportunity strikes he's not one to sit around. Not too mention that back when this was possible he was in love with Bev not just lusting after her. Then there is Bev and the creep known as Odan. I mean it's one thing not to know, but to find out then sleep with someone you think of family because the parasite inside him says he loves you? I think that says a bit about her character too. She did say there was an attraction in Attached and she shows it a few other times along the way so who is really to say that when she was young and hormonal she wasn't capable of acting on it then. I mean if you can sleep with someone you consider something like you brother which you are not attracted to (even though your friend Deanna is) why can't you sleep with your husband/fiance's bestfriend who you are attracted to? Just some food for thought.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

So let me get this straight, Canuck69. You are arguing that Picard is the type of man willing to bed his best friend and fellow officer's wife and that Beverly Crusher is the type of woman willing to betray her husband with his best friend and commanding officer. Moreover, Beverly Crusher is the type of woman who would willfully lie to her husband about the child's paternity in order to pass the child of the adulterous tryst off as her husband's.

That is not the way I see either character as portrayed in canon. However, to each his own.


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Gil T.Azell]

I don't remember the name of the novel, but I think it was hinted at or mentioned that Picard was Wes's father.
only time would tell if Wes starts going bald,

 

[Whoa Nellie]

I don't remember the name of the novel, but I think it was hinted at or mentioned that Picard was Wes's father.
only time would tell if Wes starts going bald,

And people wonder why the novels are not considered canon.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[cultcross]

In an age when a quick scan from a medical tricorder could determine paternity, I've never really bought that Wesley could be Picard's son and not know it.
Besides, the whole idea would be too scandalous for TNG.

 

[Alrik]

So let me get this straight, Canuck69. You are arguing that Picard is the type of man willing to bed his best friend and fellow officer's wife and that Beverly Crusher is the type of woman willing to betray her husband with his best friend and commanding officer. Moreover, Beverly Crusher is the type of woman who would willfully lie to her husband about the child's paternity in order to pass the child of the adulterous tryst off as her husband's.

That is not the way I see either character as portrayed in canon. However, to each his own.


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

WN, there is one possibility that could keep the characters in character, but also open the door for those who really need to believe that Wes is Picard's son.

Take three young officers/friends on shore leave, add several pitchers of margaritas and a few hands of strip poker, mix with an impromptu wild three way and bang! There's the hush, hush, um let's try to pretend that never happened, scenario.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

WN, there is one possibility that could keep the characters in character, but also open the door for those who really need to believe that Wes is Picard's son.

Take three young officers/friends on shore leave, add several pitchers of margaritas and a few hands of strip poker, mix with an impromptu wild three way and bang! There's the hush, hush, um let's try to pretend that never happened, scenario.

Dear Penthouse,
On the way to the bridge . . .



You would have to really need to believe Picard is Wesley's father to go with that one.

Edited to add some common sense into the discussion.

In an age when a quick scan from a medical tricorder could determine paternity, I've never really bought that Wesley could be Picard's son and not know it.
Besides, the whole idea would be too scandalous for TNG.

Agreed.


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Canuck69]

I never once said that JL and Bev are those types of people. I was saying that it is not as out of character as it has been said. The examples I gave were just to show that even with the strong morals these two characters have, they have also had moments were they let them go to give into the strong passionate feelings they both also possess. Like I said at the beginning of my last post, I don't agree that Wes is Picard's son. My issue was the black and white way it was portrayed that he couldn't be because of the morals involved with these characters. TPTB showed us time and time again and in canon I might add, that when it came to these two there was lots of shades of grey involved. Furthermore, true to any character in any story, humans are an unpredicatable species when faced with a very difficult situation. How can anyone really say that Bev would or wouldn't have told her husband or JL if Wes was really Jean-Luc's son. There is not really enough evidence for the argument either way. I guess you can take that as me saying that they are those types if people but thats not what I was trying to get at. I don't see them that way either but I can see it as a mere possibility given the past and feelings between these two people. I just didn't agree with the way it was all shot down and was trying to look at it from a different perspective. Like you said WN, to each his own.

 

[CaptainStoner]

It would not have been consistent with the Picard character for him to be Wesley's father. Juicy, but out of character.

But I wouldn't have minded seeing things heat up a little more with Beverly by the end of the series.