Picard is Wesley's father?

[Angel4576]

Jim 'King Ding-a-Ling' Kirk would probably have needed industrial strength contraception, at the rate he worked his way through the female galactic population!

 

[Kegek]

Babanagoosh said:
(These things must have been invented *in* the 24th century, otherwise how could David Marcus have been born? Somehow I doubt Kirk planned to have children. Then again, I suppose Carol could have wanted them and thus 'tricked' Jim into fathering David for her.)

I don't remember the episode, but it was when Kasidy said she was pregnant. It's in the eight-part DS9 conclusion... "The Dogs of War" I think, but don't quote me on that.

Basically, Kasidy says that Sisko forgot his injection that month. He'd been so busy with the war it plum slipped his mind, and bingo! She's pregnant!

Unplanned pregnancies can still happen if you're lazy, or Benjamin Sisko. Kirk might have been lazy...

 

[WillsBabe]

Kegek said:
I don't remember the episode, but it was when Kasidy said she was pregnant.

I don't know which episode it was, either. But, I'm pretty sure you are right about it being one of the final ones. I remember being quite impressed that they were talking about contraception in such a matter of fact way.

 

[Angel4576]

Kegek said:
Kirk might have been lazy...

Or old school. He was rebelling against the system!

 

[T'Cal]

Christopher said:
I don't buy that Picard could be Wesley's father. As he made clear in "Attached," he never revealed his feelings to Beverly because she was his best friend's wife. The onscreen information we have suggests that the Crushers were already married when Picard met them (although in the novels, Picard met Beverly about four years before she and Jack married, but after they'd been engaged -- which works out to a pretty long engagement). In any case, Picard wouldn't have pursued his best friend's girl, and if they had slept together, she wouldn't have been so surprised by the discovery of his past feelings for her in "Attached." So there's no bloody way Wes could be Picard's son.

Besides, there's a pretty clear resemblance between Jack and Wes.

Your "Attached" reasoning doesn't work for me because the theory of Picard is Wes' dad was brought up a couple of years before the episode, which was aired in season 7. There was still enough slack in the story that was available to make it happen that Jean-Luc and Bev were intimate. Also, resemblance means nothing. Actually, IIRC Jack had blue eyes as does Bev, and Wes has brown. This makes it is highly unlikely that Wes is Jack's son.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^There's another explanation for related characters having inconsistent eye colors...

[jonlovitz]ACTING!!![/jonlovitz]

 

[Whoa Nellie]

T'Cal said:

Christopher said:
I don't buy that Picard could be Wesley's father. As he made clear in "Attached," he never revealed his feelings to Beverly because she was his best friend's wife. The onscreen information we have suggests that the Crushers were already married when Picard met them (although in the novels, Picard met Beverly about four years before she and Jack married, but after they'd been engaged -- which works out to a pretty long engagement). In any case, Picard wouldn't have pursued his best friend's girl, and if they had slept together, she wouldn't have been so surprised by the discovery of his past feelings for her in "Attached." So there's no bloody way Wes could be Picard's son.

Besides, there's a pretty clear resemblance between Jack and Wes.

Your "Attached" reasoning doesn't work for me because the theory of Picard is Wes' dad was brought up a couple of years before the episode, which was aired in season 7. There was still enough slack in the story that was available to make it happen that Jean-Luc and Bev were intimate. Also, resemblance means nothing. Actually, IIRC Jack had blue eyes as does Bev, and Wes has brown. This makes it is highly unlikely that Wes is Jack's son.

So you are arguing that Picard is the type of man willing to bed his best friend and fellow officer's wife and that Beverly Crusher is the type of woman willing to betray her husband with his best friend and commanding officer. Moreover, Beverly Crusher is the type of woman who would willfully lie to her husband about the child's paternity in order to pass the child of the adulterous tryst off as her husband's.

Sorry, but I don't find that plausible at all given the characterizations shown to us in TNG canon. In a mirror universe fanfic, maybe . . .

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Kegek]

T'Cal said:
Actually, IIRC Jack had blue eyes as does Bev, and Wes has brown. This makes it is highly unlikely that Wes is Jack's son.

I think there are rare cases of a child having different a eye colour to both parents if there's a history of that eye colour in their families. Again, no expert.

 

[T'Cal]

The Old Mixer said:
^There's another explanation for related characters having inconsistent eye colors...

[jonlovitz]ACTING!!![/jonlovitz]

Whaaaaat?!? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

 

[WillsBabe]

Whoa Nellie said:

WillsBabe said:
This sounds like something your Vash would say!

That's only because I did have Vash say it during a poker game in the story "In the Line of Duty."

Oh, good Lord, it was a guess! I feel like a stalker now.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

WillsBabe said:

Whoa Nellie said:

WillsBabe said:
This sounds like something your Vash would say!

That's only because I did have Vash say it during a poker game in the story "In the Line of Duty."

Oh, good Lord, it was a guess!

I was really impressed!

WillsBabe said:
I feel like a stalker now.

You don't sound like a stalker. I, however, do sound like I identify with the heroine of my stories a little too much.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

This thread reminds me of a cartoon that appeared in Starlog during the second season. It had Wesley, with a receeding hairline, gazing into a hand-held mirror. Picard was behind him, arm on his shoulder, and saying, "Wesley, there's something your mother and I have been meaning to tell you."

 

[Vic Sixx]

I wish someone would trim T'Cal's nooo to make this thread fit right.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Vic Sixx said:
I wish someone would trim T'Cal's nooo to make this thread fit right.

Whew! I thought it was just something funky going on with my browser.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[K-Star]

middyseafort said:
This thread reminds me of a cartoon that appeared in Starlog during the second season. It had Wesley, with a receeding hairline, gazing into a hand-held mirror. Picard was behind him, arm on his shoulder, and saying, "Wesley, there's something your mother and I have been meaning to tell you."

ROFLMAO!

 

[Peach Wookiee]

The Old Mixer said:
I always took the "I have something to tell you" moments as a tease of Crusher almost revealing her true feelings for him...not a deep, dark secret.

That's what I always thought, too. That's why, for me, it was so funny when Captain Picard inadvertantly broke up Worf and Deanna's kiss in AGT. It's almost always been Worf that broke up the moment between Picard and Crusher...

 

[T'Cal]

Whoa Nellie said:

Vic Sixx said:
I wish someone would trim T'Cal's nooo to make this thread fit right.

Whew! I thought it was just something funky going on with my browser.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

Sorry! I'd fix it but don't know how. I can't edit it in the traditional manner. Suggestions?

 

[serdogthehound]

L+R=W

but serousaly I don't think Picard is Welsey father who know maybe one of the Cursher had there Eye colour changed some how to blue and Wes liked brown just fine

 

[erastus25]

Whoa Nellie said:

T'Cal said:

Christopher said:
I don't buy that Picard could be Wesley's father. As he made clear in "Attached," he never revealed his feelings to Beverly because she was his best friend's wife. The onscreen information we have suggests that the Crushers were already married when Picard met them (although in the novels, Picard met Beverly about four years before she and Jack married, but after they'd been engaged -- which works out to a pretty long engagement). In any case, Picard wouldn't have pursued his best friend's girl, and if they had slept together, she wouldn't have been so surprised by the discovery of his past feelings for her in "Attached." So there's no bloody way Wes could be Picard's son.

Besides, there's a pretty clear resemblance between Jack and Wes.

Your "Attached" reasoning doesn't work for me because the theory of Picard is Wes' dad was brought up a couple of years before the episode, which was aired in season 7. There was still enough slack in the story that was available to make it happen that Jean-Luc and Bev were intimate. Also, resemblance means nothing. Actually, IIRC Jack had blue eyes as does Bev, and Wes has brown. This makes it is highly unlikely that Wes is Jack's son.

So you are arguing that Picard is the type of man willing to bed his best friend and fellow officer's wife and that Beverly Crusher is the type of woman willing to betray her husband with his best friend and commanding officer. Moreover, Beverly Crusher is the type of woman who would willfully lie to her husband about the child's paternity in order to pass the child of the adulterous tryst off as her husband's.

Sorry, but I don't find that plausible at all given the characterizations shown to us in TNG canon. In a mirror universe fanfic, maybe . . .

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

But isn't it possible that Picard knew Beverly before Keel introduced Jack and Bev?

Further, is it ever explicitly stated that Jack and Bev started boinking as soon as they met? Maybe Bev and Jack started dating only after a long friendship and during that friendship Bev and Jean-Luc had a fling.

My favorite reason for believing that Picard is Wesley's dad is still the look on his face when they first meet in the pilot. It's almost like he's saying "wait...this is my son...I thought you got an abortion?!?!?!" Well, in my mind it's that way at least.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

erastus25 said:
But isn't it possible that Picard knew Beverly before Keel introduced Jack and Bev?

No. TNG canon clearly establishes in the first season episode "Conspiracy" that it was Walker Keel who introduced Beverly to Jack. Beverly and Jack were already together when Picard met her. That was part of Keel's test to see if Picard was indeed who he said he was.

As I see it, the idea that Wesley is somehow the love child of Picard and Beverly Crusher is nothing more than a wishful shipper fanon fantasy that flies in the face of all TNG canon.

erastus25 said:
My favorite reason for believing that Picard is Wesley's dad is still the look on his face when they first meet in the pilot. It's almost like he's saying "wait...this is my son...I thought you got an abortion?!?!?!" Well, in my mind it's that way at least.

You still have to characterize Beverly Crusher as the type of woman who would willfully commit fraud and lie about her child's paternity in order to pass the child off as her husband's. Again, I can't see this in the canon universe -- mirror universe fanfic, maybe.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie