Picard is Wesley's father?
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I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything that's been said about Picard and Beverly - neither one of them would have cheated on Jack like that, and even if they did, Beverly would never have hidden the truth about Wesley from Picard.
And Whoa Nellie, you're dangerously close to turning me into a P/V shipper.
I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything that's been said about Picard and Beverly - neither one of them would have cheated on Jack like that, and even if they did, Beverly would never have hidden the truth about Wesley from Picard.
And Whoa Nellie, you're dangerously close to turning me into a P/V shipper.
:thumbsup: Exactly!
Turbo said:
And Whoa Nellie, you're dangerously close to turning me into a P/V shipper.
My diabolical plan to create P/V shippers by emphasizing TNG canon is working! 
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
Too bad actually, don't you think? It would make a great story to reveal that Beverly once had a one-nighter with Picard and thus Wesley was made. She hadn't told Jack or Jean-Luc about it as it would endanger their friendship.
Of course, people in Star Trek don't cheat each other. They're perfect people. ;-)
No, I'm sorry, I still don't believe it.
Picard, Jack and Beverly are all honorable people to the last. Picard and Bev wouldn't have had a thing going behind Jack's back, and Jack was by all accounts not the kind of guy who would be cheated on anyway.
And even if there was an affair, there's no reason why contraception would have failed.
Picard, Jack and Beverly are all honorable people to the last. Picard and Bev wouldn't have had a thing going behind Jack's back, and Jack was by all accounts not the kind of guy who would be cheated on anyway.
And even if there was an affair, there's no reason why contraception would have failed.
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That Picard would be Wesley's father would be a plotline out of Dynasty where they all married each other and everfyon eelse was everyone else's parent which became silly and is what sank the show. If TNG had presented the idea that Picard was Wes's father would haven't have worked. It would also be too much of a similarity to the David Marcus/James Kirk siutation of The Wrath of Khan. Overkill.
Interestingly enough, we almost got a reveal similar to the James Kirk/David Marcus father/son relationship in NEM. In the early script stages, Shinzon was not Picard's clone but his lost son captured off the Stargazer along with Picard's then-wife during an encounter with a Romulan vessel. It was dropped because TPTB thought it too much of a stretch to reveal that Picard had a family he never mentioned in seven years and three previous movies.
^Yeah, John Logan mentioned that early plot point in an interview in the defunct Star Trek: The Magazine.
As much as we all wanted to see Bev and J-Lu to get together (Admit it) It was not to be. As Most everyone pointed out already. Bev would not have been suprised When she found out the way she did. Although the thought has come to life in different Mirror Fanfics but lets not get ourselves any more confused by this complexe and beautiful relationship.
Obviously, episodes subsequent to the two I mentioned established that Picard could not have been Wes' father. But previous episodes didn't establish much there. In Tapestry (much later), we learn from Picard that he was "a puerile adolescent who let himself be ruled by his hormones instead of his head." What if Bev was, too?
We know Picard was visibly upset to see Bev when she came aboard in E@FP. If in fact they had had a tryst during the time that Jack and Bev were together, Jean-Luc would be quite shaken and guilt-ridden in seeing her again. Also, no one else need know about Wes' true parentage since his own mother was also his private physician; she could've kept it from everyone.
Still, what was Bev trying to tell Jean-Luc m oments before they believed they would be killed??
I press the point only for the entertainment value of playing the game "What If?". Had Roddenberry decided early on that this was part of these characters' histories, some episodes might have laid the groundwork for this plotline.
We know Picard was visibly upset to see Bev when she came aboard in E@FP. If in fact they had had a tryst during the time that Jack and Bev were together, Jean-Luc would be quite shaken and guilt-ridden in seeing her again. Also, no one else need know about Wes' true parentage since his own mother was also his private physician; she could've kept it from everyone.
Still, what was Bev trying to tell Jean-Luc m oments before they believed they would be killed??
I press the point only for the entertainment value of playing the game "What If?". Had Roddenberry decided early on that this was part of these characters' histories, some episodes might have laid the groundwork for this plotline.
Shocking new evidence!
Recent speculation about the parentage of Wesley Crusher created shock waves in the Federation Busy-body Community. Supporters of Captain Jean Luc Picard have declared their support for the man, claiming that for him to have fathered the child would cut at the very centre of the Enterprise captain's moral character.
However, new evidence has come to light from a much respected and thoroughly scientifically accurate new method, using photos from Google and the latest in face recognition software found free on the internet.
This new evidence may be put to use in the trial against Picard for permitting Wesley Crusher's continued existence.
Recent speculation about the parentage of Wesley Crusher created shock waves in the Federation Busy-body Community. Supporters of Captain Jean Luc Picard have declared their support for the man, claiming that for him to have fathered the child would cut at the very centre of the Enterprise captain's moral character.
However, new evidence has come to light from a much respected and thoroughly scientifically accurate new method, using photos from Google and the latest in face recognition software found free on the internet.
This new evidence may be put to use in the trial against Picard for permitting Wesley Crusher's continued existence.
Re: Shocking new evidence!
Picard has a case he'll win easily. Nothing here proves he fathered Wesley.
This particular assessment tool is designed to assess which parent a child looks like. So, for this test to be reliable and valid you must be saying that the P/C relationship that produced Wesley was Jean-Luc Picard/Jack Crusher.
This particular tool is not designed to determine whether it was male A or male B who fathered the child with the female. Using this assessment tool in this manner negates any reliability and validity the assessment tool might have had. (Have I mentioned I have a degree in Psychology and spent my college years working in a research lab. )
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
SiorX said:
Recent speculation about the parentage of Wesley Crusher created shock waves in the Federation Busy-body Community. Supporters of Captain Jean Luc Picard have declared their support for the man, claiming that for him to have fathered the child would cut at the very centre of the Enterprise captain's moral character.
However, new evidence has come to light from a much respected and thoroughly scientifically accurate new method, using photos from Google and the latest in face recognition software found free on the internet.
This new evidence may be put to use in the trial against Picard for permitting Wesley Crusher's continued existence.
Picard has a case he'll win easily. Nothing here proves he fathered Wesley.
This particular assessment tool is designed to assess which parent a child looks like. So, for this test to be reliable and valid you must be saying that the P/C relationship that produced Wesley was Jean-Luc Picard/Jack Crusher.
This particular tool is not designed to determine whether it was male A or male B who fathered the child with the female. Using this assessment tool in this manner negates any reliability and validity the assessment tool might have had. (Have I mentioned I have a degree in Psychology and spent my college years working in a research lab.
)Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
Re: Shocking new evidence!
Not really, as it's also proven that Wesley looks more like Jean-Luc than Jack. I don't see the correlation. Jean-Luc has a 22% closer resemblance to Wesley than Jack.
Man, I want to do this to answer other questions, like: Who was Spock's real father - Sarek, or the Romulan Commander? More as this develops...
Not really, as it's also proven that Wesley looks more like Jean-Luc than Jack. I don't see the correlation. Jean-Luc has a 22% closer resemblance to Wesley than Jack.
Man, I want to do this to answer other questions, like: Who was Spock's real father - Sarek, or the Romulan Commander? More as this develops...
Re: Shocking new evidence!
The tool was designed to assume parentage. So unless you're saying Jean-Luc Picard and Jack Crusher are Wesley parents; the results of the test cannot be seen as reliable and valid. The test is not being used as it was designed so the results are meaningless.
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
The tool was designed to assume parentage. So unless you're saying Jean-Luc Picard and Jack Crusher are Wesley parents; the results of the test cannot be seen as reliable and valid. The test is not being used as it was designed so the results are meaningless.
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
Re: Shocking new evidence!
The designation is not at issue here. But if the tool is capable of determining which of these two men more resemble Wesley, then the reason for its methodology is beside the point.
Would there need to be a different algorithim for a program attempting to do what is done here, would not the recognizing of facial similar features boil down to the same method?
The designation is not at issue here. But if the tool is capable of determining which of these two men more resemble Wesley, then the reason for its methodology is beside the point.
Would there need to be a different algorithim for a program attempting to do what is done here, would not the recognizing of facial similar features boil down to the same method?
Re: Shocking new evidence!
Are you for serious?
It was a joke.
Whoa Nellie said:This particular tool is not designed to determine whether it was male A or male B who fathered the child with the female. Using this assessment tool in this manner negates any reliability and validity the assessment tool might have had. (Have I mentioned I have a degree in Psychology and spent my college years working in a research lab.
Are you for serious?
It was a joke.
Re: Shocking new evidence!
One would still need to do numerous studies to determine the tool's validity and reliability for the new conditions under which the assessment was being used.
I know. I was being humorous as well. It just struck me funny that you placed Jean-Luc Picard and Jack Crusher where the parents should be. The rest was research lab humor that kicked in due to years of having the importance of validity and reliability, testing and assessment drilled into my head by my psychology professor. Actually I'm rather impressed with myself that I could dredge that stuff up. I graduated almost 15 years ago. Now, I need to go help my kids with their homework and finish up a batch of Christmas cookies.
Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
One would still need to do numerous studies to determine the tool's validity and reliability for the new conditions under which the assessment was being used.
SiorX said:
Are you for serious?
I know. I was being humorous as well. It just struck me funny that you placed Jean-Luc Picard and Jack Crusher where the parents should be. The rest was research lab humor that kicked in due to years of having the importance of validity and reliability, testing and assessment drilled into my head by my psychology professor. Actually I'm rather impressed with myself that I could dredge that stuff up. I graduated almost 15 years ago. Now, I need to go help my kids with their homework and finish up a batch of Christmas cookies. Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
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