I wouldn't mind a Pike with a little more of an "edge" to him, but I still do enjoy his "Captain Dad" persona.
I support this, so long we also accept that he also knew an ancestor of Chief O'Brien.
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Good, I'm glad we see eye to eye. Then we're agreed that it's all one prime timeline, as obviously is and has always been meant to be. Also, with those clearly and obviously misogynistic and moronic statements you made earlier about Pike being neutered and hang out with the girls squad, there's nothing you can say about Star Trek that anyone should ever give any weight to, anyway.
No. Once they moved the Eugenics Wars, all bets are off. They'll do what they want to do and pat the fanbase on the head, assuring them that it is "all the same".
But they didn't move the Eugenics Wars, they pointed out that it had been moved, but the moving was done decades ago.... by Roddenberry.
You have two different characters on screen referencing 1992-1996, fifteen years apart ("Space Seed", Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). You also have Archer from the Augments Trilogy referencing them as happening in that same time frame.
Where did Roddenberry move them to? And, since they are referenced in the same time period as "Space Seed" and TWOK by Enterprise, I'd say whatever Roddenberry wanted, didn't stick.
Spock described the 90's as the era of out last world War, equating World War III as being the Eugenics War. Flash foward to Encounter at Farpoint, an episode partly written by Roddenberry, moving World War III into the 21st century. Something that was further centered in place by First Contact, Enterprise, Discovery, and SNW.
Pretty easy to see The Eugenics Wars as part of WWIII without moving the conflict itself. A lot of unresolved issues from that conflict could easily be part of the trigger of WWIII. Which allows it to be seen as it was intended, but also as part of a bigger picture.
Which just circles back to my biggest complaint with CBS Trek, a lack of creativity.
If Khan was the first Augment, they could name him whatever they wanted.
I actually didn't know what your argument was, if you didn't realize that.
But... yes. It *IS* all one prime timeline, despite making absolutely no sense that is all one prime timeline since Discovery.
Also, with those clearly and obviously misogynistic and moronic statements you made earlier about Pike being neutered and hang out with the girls squad, there's nothing you can say about Star Trek that anyone should ever give any weight to, anyway.
So... since I said it's all one prime timeline, it... shouldn't be?
On a more serious note though... let me take a step back there. What I said didn't quite come out as intended and i'll apologize for that. I was making an attempt to be a bit facetious with the comparison between the 1960's Pike and 2020's Pike. There is absolutely some truth in how I feel about SNW... I do think that Pike too often plays second-fiddle to others in the crew and has been portrayed as somewhat weak willed overall. I do also think the show skews a bit too heavily in having the women crew members be on the verge of Mary Sue's and generally take the lead. It's not particularly egregious or any sort of "problem" so to speak. But... yes, the difference in portrayal of 1960's Pike to 2020's Pike is jarring, and my comment was intended to reflect that.
I truly despise "Tommorowx3" for just... throwing everything out into the trash.
But... in the case of the Project: Khan file, if Khan is the first augment (which... there was never any indication of, but I suppose there's no issue with that being the case), then... it does make sense for the first genetically engineered superman to be named after the project...
The 1996 marker on the file doesn't make sense with the original timeline either though. If Project: Khan produced the augments, it wouldn't be from 1996... it would be like... the 1960's?
It just seems a bit on the nose. You're trying to get funding for this project in what looks like the US. Had they already stolen Indian embryos for the project?
They were stolen? Has that been stated? For all we know the embryos were donated by Khan's mother. Hell, she could have been the lead scientist.
The timeline seems to suggest that the project was initiated in the 90s, with actual Augments being produced in the 2010's.
Simple: he was named after a particular person, or:
The goal was to create superior humanity, and "king" can be synonymous with "big", "important", "superior" (the king of all ____). Unfortunately, they didn't count on innate (supposed) superiority producing a desire to rule over the inferior (which it often does).
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- a title given to rulers and officials in central Asia, Afghanistan, and certain other Muslim countries.
- any of the successors of Genghis Khan, supreme rulers of the Turkish, Tartar, and Mongol peoples and emperors of China in the Middle Ages.
The goal was to create superior humanity, and "king" can be synonymous with "big", "important", "superior" (the king of all ____). Unfortunately, they didn't count on innate (supposed) superiority producing a desire to rule over the inferior (which it often does).
Adam Soong was in L.A., although when we see Khan, he's in Toronto.
But... there are like, a not insignificant number of Indian people living in North America...
Meh, he does a brilliant job shoving them into the nineties. The TOS description of them, as an actual war and not a "secret" one, was always terribly evocative and made me think about the epic nature of a conflict where people who are indisputably Better Than Us have conquered the world, and mankind has banded together to fight them off and drive them back. In that regard, the books are quite lacking because the Augments never conquer, they just puppeteer behind the scenes.
Same, but it was more of an eye-roll from me. It's a bit like if Cochrane had design schematics for the Phoenix and labelled them "Project:First Contact".
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