Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[picardjean-luc]

I understand "Code of Honor". But what's the beef with "The Child"? Not the best episode, but there are a ton worse ones out there.

Many fans have criticized 'The Child' for having Troi 'mind-raped' by an alien but she didn't object to it at all and not a single Enterprise crew was troubled by the method she was impregnated without her consent.

I believe Marina Sirtis has stated that she objected to how Troi was portrayed in the episode (not only because she was 'raped' but also she was a passive person who just went along as she was impregnated without consent, gave birth, and then witnesses her newborn son died within 24 hours). However, she was overruled by the show-runners so they proceeded with the filming.

 

[BillJ]

Many fans have criticized 'The Child' for having Troi 'mind-raped' by an alien but she didn't object to it at all and not a single Enterprise crew was troubled by the method she was impregnated without her consent.

I'll have to rewatch it somewhere down the road.

 

[fireproof78]

Many fans have criticized 'The Child' for having Troi 'mind-raped' by an alien but she didn't object to it at all and not a single Enterprise crew was troubled by the method she was impregnated without her consent.

Yup. And the Berman era did again in ENT. It is handled so poorly.

 

[cooleddie74]

At least with Trip the roles were reversed and for once it was the male character forced into an uncomfortable situation outside his control, but that still doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[fireproof78]

Neither situation is treated with any sort of gravity. Trip's is used for comedy and Troi's is just *shrug* "Space is weird, eh?"

 

[WildManWizard]

please somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but was it implied that dahj felt like she knew picard could help her because deep down she shares data's memories from being created by one of his positrons?

 

[Trekker4747]

please somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but was it implied that dahj felt like she knew picard could help her because deep down she shares data's memories from being created by one of his positrons?

That's how I understand it. They were 1000 years away from building an android like Dahj is and Maddox just buggered off somewhere and got it done within a few years all by himself.

 

[NCC-73515]

If you're going by IMDB, even at this point, those numbers could be way off. IMDB listed Spock in 1 episode of DSC S2 even after the season started, later updated to 10.

No, I think someone mentioned that in an interview. I watched too many to remember which one though XD

Starfleet's objection to rescuing the Romulans struck me as odd since they had previously extended similar aid to the Klingon empire.

They only extended the olive branch because of Spock's negotiations and against strong resistance from Cartwright and the others. Apparently, Picard also had to persuade them first, and following the Mars attack, the Feds basically said "I knew it would be pointless, look what you got us into" and withdrew to their room to sulk XD

 

[DaveyNY]

I didn't say no one likes it or that it doesn't have a following. I said it wasn't as popular as other Trek films. Which is objectively true.

It most certainly was the day it came out.
It was all we had up to that point.
Everybody that thought of themselves as a Trek Fan went to see it within the first week or two.

 

[Push The Button]

*best news anchor voice* Further updates as this story unfolds.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

“The cause is under investigation.”

Every single news story about a fire ends with that statement.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This is the best first episode of Trek ever. Although as a 10-part story, there's 9 chances for them to ruin it.

 

[Skipper]

Do episodes like 'Code of Honor' or 'The Child' (which are now deplored by most viewers - due to racism for the former and sexual trauma for the latter) fit anywhere in the TNG 'vision'?

If I remember correctly, the problems with the former were born from directorial choices (i.e. it wasn't the script per se to be problematic). For the latter they had to recycle a script from Phase Two due the Writers' strike, right?

 

[Cyrus]

For the latter they had to recycle a script from Phase Two due the Writers' strike, right?

Yeah, I think in the original script Ilia is the one who becomes pregnant.

 

[SolarisOne]

Morally grey Starfleet captains in Trek *don’t* make for good protagonists, because that’s not the way the setting works.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

during the news interview it seems they use the wrong SFX shot. Before the news interview, when he is getting his tea, just before that, we see the news recounting the anniversary, and we see an armada of ships in the rescue effort on the screen. This seems to be the FIRST clip the reporter SHOULD be playing, when she is asking Picard about the rescue effort, but she is playing Mars footage, which she hasn't asked about yet. I think it's a strange mistake

 

[USS Fardell]

Remembrance
The first episode of Star Trek: Picard. A great beginning, with many different themes. The Romulan disaster, an Attack on Mars, artificial life forms, and Picard getting back in the thick of things, as it were. Beginning at Labarre, France on the anniversary of that attack on Mars... The interview with the FNN reporter was quite realistic. Especially the part where she ignores the instruction not to ask about the circumstances of his resignation from Starfleet. Picard is then thrown into action by the arrival of Dahj...
(The scene in Boston was done very well, effectively setting up the mystery of who these people attack Dahj are.) Picard does want to help Dahj, not least because of dreams he had been having about Data. And this is another thread, the legacy of Data, and of Doctor Soong's achievements in creating artificial life forms with positronic brains. Picard finding that Dahj looks like one of Data's paintings and going to the Starfleet Archive to investigate was also a rather good touch. (Clearly the Index is not as sapient as the Voyager Doctor.)
The whole scene is a nostalgia trip, but in this case it's a cherry on top. Dahj finds Picard, but then they are ambushed, and Dahj dies! (or appears to. It's certainly unexpected. She was developed enough in the short time to be a main character.) Then to the Daystrom institute, where it's revealed that she wasn't alone. That this gives Jean-Luc a new meaning, a new personal mission, is definitely believable given what has been seen so far. It certainly goes back to what Q said at the end of All Good Things... about charting the unrealised possibilities of existence.
There is also the Romulan aspect. Both a couple living with Picard at Labarre, and the episode's ending, where Dahj's sister is working at a reclamation facility built into a Borg Cube. How the Borg relate to the Romulan and AI aspects will certainly be interesting to find out. On to the next episode. 9.2/10.

 

[jaime]

The original Star Trek wasn't remotely utopian.

Utopia is a matter of perspective. We were in one about 15 years ago from some people’s perspective compared to now. From another perspective, we are in one even now; compared to an era where it looked like the planet was gonna be burnt to a crisp in Nuclear War etc.

 

[jaime]

Do episodes like 'Code of Honor' or 'The Child' (which are now deplored by most viewers - due to racism for the former and sexual trauma for the latter) fit anywhere in the TNG 'vision'?

Code of Honour depends on the person... I don’t see racial stereotypes, I see people dressed as Aladdin. It’s about as rascist as the Edo planet. I know others agree, so it’s not a niche contrary opinion. The Child is clunky as heck, but is an example of something not being rewritten to be TNG...there was a strike on, so they pulled a Phase 2 script out of the ‘nope’ pile.

 

[jaime]

Never read em xD

 

[Campe]

Utopia is a matter of perspective. We were in one about 15 years ago from some people’s perspective compared to now. From another perspective, we are in one even now; compared to an era where it looked like the planet was gonna be burnt to a crisp in Nuclear War etc.

Who ever once has believed we were in a utopia? I’ve never heard that word as a description of current circumstances used outside of speculative fiction in my lifetime.