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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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I'd recommend watching the episode Dragon's Domain and get back to me.

It’s a Gerry Anderson TV show made here in the seventies...aside from me having no interest in it (or Blake’s 7, which ends on a dark note) it’s simply a matter of rules at the time, as well as societal trends, that it by its nature cannot be grimdark, and certainly not anywhere near DSC. By the rules of the time, it couldn’t even reach TNG/VOY levels on horro/gore alone.
Put it this way, even the Aliens films don’t get anywhere near grimdark, and those are blue collar SF dystopias with body horror and slasher movie set-ups. (Ok...AVP2 probably comes closest to crossing the line, and resurrection can arguably come close because of its cyberpunk elements...but doesn’t.)
 
Thank you, good sir! Funny, this past year I revisited all the Star Trek movies except "Generations." :techman:

Update: only Jean-Luc's brother, Robert, and nephew, Rene, died in the fire. His sister-in-law, Marie Picard, survived.
She's not a terribly important character
 
It’s a Gerry Anderson TV show made here in the seventies...aside from me having no interest in it (or Blake’s 7, which ends on a dark note) it’s simply a matter of rules at the time, as well as societal trends, that it by its nature cannot be grimdark, and certainly not anywhere near DSC. By the rules of the time, it couldn’t even reach TNG/VOY levels on horro/gore alone.
Put it this way, even the Aliens films don’t get anywhere near grimdark, and those are blue collar SF dystopias with body horror and slasher movie set-ups. (Ok...AVP2 probably comes closest to crossing the line, and resurrection can arguably come close because of its cyberpunk elements...but doesn’t.)

Again, watch Dragon's Domain and get back to me what Space 1999 could or couldn't do back in the 1970s. And to suggest DISCO is darker than the Aliens films is laughable. I however, don't expect Picard to get any much darker than TNG got, because I don't see any evidence of that kind of interest from Stewart or Chabon.
 
Thank you, good sir! Funny, this past year I revisited all the Star Trek movies except "Generations." :techman:

Update: only Jean-Luc's brother, Robert, and nephew, Rene, died in the fire. His sister-in-law, Marie Picard, survived.
That was twenty years ago and Marie wasn't particularly young back then
 
Again, watch Dragon's Domain and get back to me what Space 1999 could or couldn't do back in the 1970s.

I am not gonna go buy a box set to watch a show that bores me, when I already *know* it cannot be by its nature. I mean Robin of Sherwood got pretty weird, but you aren’t gonna sell me that as being Game Of Thrones either.

Edit: to sate your crazy, I read the wiki and looked at the box set.

It is a PG.
 
I am not gonna go buy a box set to watch a show that bores me, when I already *know* it cannot be by its nature. I mean Robin of Sherwood got pretty weird, but you aren’t gonna sell me that as being Game Of Thrones either.

Edit: to sate your crazy, I read the wiki and looked at the box set.

It is a PG.

I wouldn't have to see you Robin of Sherwood being Game of Thrones because Discovery isn't comparable to Game of Thrones either, although it did plenty of things that were pretty dark for a Robin Hood show and remains one of my favorite series of all time.
 
I thought Black Sails did everything worthwhile Game of Thrones attempted and generally succeeded where GoT failed. But that's really the exception that proves the rule.
Witcher kind of tried it too, though I think it succeeded in making the politics a lot more interesting, if incredibly strange to follow.

Regardless, my point stands. Game of Thrones was unique, for good or for ill, and trying to replicate is unnecessary, at best, and irritating at worst.
 
She's not a terribly important character

What a terrible thing to say about someone! Marie Picard is a valued and respected character within the Star Trek universe as is Samantha Eggar, the actress who portrayed her and who is still very much alive by the way.

That was twenty years ago and Marie wasn't particularly young back then

She pretty much the same age as Jean-Luc.
 
It's a TrekBBS thread so the answer is D: All of the Above.

So can I talk about Quark (the 1970s dystopian sci-fi TV series starring Richard Benjamin and created by the recently departed Buck Henry and NOT the Deep Space Nine character brilliantly portrayed by Armin Shimmerman)?
 
As good as Balance of Terror is, It also wraps things up very neatly in a bow and its statements on racism and blindly demonizing an enemy are pretty simplistic. Most TOS episodes are pretty simplistic. So why is simplistic good in TOS and not good in DISCO? After all, they are set in a similar era. Is simplistic not OK for Picard, even though it was OK to make things simplistic in TNG?

Simplistic worked because they were wrapping things up in 48 minutes vs. eight hours. They were giving a complete story (beginning, middle and end) in those 48 minutes. And things weren't always simplistic as shown in episodes "A Private Little War" or "The High Ground".
 
That was twenty years ago and Marie wasn't particularly young back then
She was younger than Picard was then. That said, would you want to live alone in and on a property where the rest of your immediate family died, if you had other options? I could believe she decided to move and live somewhere else after the tragedy and not really want to return.
 
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