I haven't watched this but how come B-4 is disassembled and in a drawer?
Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"
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No reason is given. I guess they figured even mentally-challenged AI had to go as well. Seems pretty cruel to me.
And I cannot imagine what kind of experiments B4 underwent under Maddox and the other Daystorm researchers for 5-plus years (from 'Nemesis' until the Mars attack)
.As a fully functioning android, Data had the free-will to choose on whether he is willing to subject himself to Maddox's experiments and he said no thanks. But being mentally challenged, B-4 had no such choice. The poor thing must've endured a lot of stuffs before he was finally disassembled
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And I cannot imagine what kind of experiments B4 underwent under Maddox and the other Daystorm researchers for about 5-plus years
We don't know that Maddox was or is a bad guy yet. His demeanor towards Data changed and that may have carried forward. Without any kind of clue as to where they are going, I imagine his work is being subverted by someone else.
Either way, I just want an interesting background story for him that makes sense.
He doesn't have to be a bad guy to be in Picard's way.
What's number one on your list?
Do episodes like 'Code of Honor' or 'The Child' (which are now deplored by most viewers - due to racism for the former and sexual trauma for the latter) fit anywhere in the TNG 'vision'?
Across the entire franchise? The Motion Picture, followed by Into Darkness and The Undiscovered Country.
I actually agree with you in general, although I can't resist pointing out that, prior to the reboot movie, the most commercially -successful Trek movie was a light-hearted romp about the saving the whales.
Talk about sending the Powers That Be mixed messages! We love KHAN . . . and the whales! We love how utopian TNG is . . . but our favorite eps include the one set in a dark dystopic version of TNG ("Yesterday's Enterprise") and the one where the captain is captured and mutilated by horrifying cyborg zombies!
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Dr. What's Her Name (not good with names, not bothering to look it up) says Data's memories eventually overloaded Lore. I took that mean he simply "died naturally" from trying to cope with Data's memories and then they took him apart to study the components more/better. I kind of doubt even with the the ban on synths they'd have deactivated B-4 or would have to Data if he were still alive.
The impression I got, and this may be the "old Trek"/Utopia Future/Federation and Humanity Ideals taking over in me was that the "Synths" were synthetic but not sentient/sapient. They were just humanoid-looking robots who were highly advanced but not sentient, I guess I'd equate them to the various "androids" we see all over TOS where they're just human-looking robots but, unlike Data, aren't "alive."
Dialogue says that they don't know why the Synths flipped their shit and attacked UP but that it was enough to get Fed/Starfleet to shut down any ongoing research probably out of an "Okay, we almost had a Terminator moment here, we came too close. Maybe we shouldn't fool around with this shit because it could lead in a direction we don't want to be in" sort of thing.
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I think it is exactly the general 'utopian' tone of the show that makes those episodes so harrowing and memorable.We love how utopian TNG is . . . but are favorite eps include the one set in a dark dystopic version TNG ("Yesterday's Enterprise") and the one where the captain is captured and mutilated by horrifying cyborg zombies!
Yes. A conflictless future between the main characters.
I actually agree with you in general, although I can't resist pointing out that, prior to the reboot movie, the most commercially -successful Trek movie was a light-hearted romp about the saving the whales.
Talk about sending the Power That Be mixed messages! We love KHAN . . . and the whales! We love how utopian TNG is . . . but are favorite eps include the one set in a dark dystopic version TNG ("Yesterday's Enterprise") and the one where the captain is captured and mutilated by horrifying cyborg zombies!
Don't forget the one where the Captain is involved in a plot that ended in the murder of two beings.
I understand "Code of Honor". But what's the beef with "The Child"? Not the best episode, but there are a ton worse ones out there.
I suspect that "grimdark" is going the way of "jumping the shark" and "Mary Sue" in being a once-useful term that's been thrown around so loosely that it's pretty much lost any meaning beyond "that thing I don't like."
You mean it hasn't happened already?
Very true. Personally I quite like grimdark when it is done with proper amount of black humour and satire. I just don't want grimdark in Star Trek.