Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Gonzo]

To be fair, it likely has a larger budget than those movies did.

Factoring in inflation its pretty much guaranteed.

No doubt about it Picard certainly looks and feels expensive so far, its easier to do with a somewhat limited series, trying to do that with a 20+ episode series is another matter and corners have to be cut.

 

[Gonzo]

It certainly seems to be spending a higher percentage of the available cash on the script.

It really does show script wise but I dont know if that is really about money, too many cooks in the kitchen, trying to do too many things at once or all of the above, although I do think Discovery looks great and you can see that CBS didnt scrimp in that regard.

 

[Danja]

Picard certainly looks and feels expensive so far, its easier to do with a somewhat limited series, trying to do that with a 20+ episode series is another matter and corners have to be cut.

Then there's the question of "How do we fill our order of 22?"

 

[BillJ]

Don't get me wrong. I really like FC. I just don't think it's the classic many fans prop it up to be.

I usually rank First Contact as second or third among TNG movies, depending on my mood.

 

[Gonzo]

Then there's the question of "How do we fill our order of 22?"

Yeah which understandably causes the script quality to fall at times.

Some double episodes feel like a movie and some movies feel like episodes, when that happens the fault is definitely down to scripts and pacing.

When the issue is how it looks then its down to money.

I dont really have preferences in regards to the films, I am either in the mood to watch one or I am not.

 

[BillJ]

Then there's the question of "How do we fill our order of 22?"

Imagine the struggle that TOS had. With 29 episodes in season one, and 27 in season two.

 

[Alan Roi]

It really does show script wise but I dont know if that is really about money, too many cooks in the kitchen, trying to do too many things at once or all of the above, although I do think Discovery looks great and you can see that CBS didnt scrimp in that regard.

Scripts on DISCO don't bother me, but the TNG movies, with the exception of First Contact do not have good scripts.

 

[Gonzo]

Scripts on DISCO don't bother me, but the TNG movies, with the exception of First Contact do not have good scripts.

The standalone Disco scripts worked fine, its the overall season arc story line that felt a bit disjointed, its not a surprise though with everything that went on behind the scenes.

I never really had a problem with any of the Star Trek films, even Nemesis.

I like all of the Kelvin films as well, even Into Darkness which I know some of you dislike.

 

[Alan Roi]

Imagine the struggle that TOS had. With 29 episodes in season one, and 27 in season two.

Hard to find 22 good utopian scripts per year.

 

[BillJ]

Hard to find 22 good utopian scripts per year.

The original Star Trek wasn't remotely utopian.

 

[Alan Roi]

I usually rank First Contact as second or third among TNG movies, depending on my mood.

I agree. From a guy who grew up on TOS, and was never too impressed by TNG, First Contact is still my second favorite Trek film.

 

[BillJ]

I agree. From a guy who grew up on TOS, and was never too impressed by TNG, First Contact is still my second favorite Trek film.

Oh, I meant second or third TNG movie, it is way down my list overall (as are all the TNG movies). It mostly comes across as an uninspired zombie movie.

 

[Alan Roi]

The original Star Trek wasn't remotely utopian.

Hense a lot more scripts that are filmable.

 

[Alan Roi]

Oh, I meant second or third TNG movie, it is way down my list overall (as are all the TNG movies). It mostly comes across as an uninspired zombie movie.

It's practically Stewart's best performances in the franchise. And nothing TNG related comes close to its cinematography, IMO

 

[BillJ]

Hense a lot more scripts that are filmable.

They always struggled with getting scripts they could film. Which is why we ended up with "The Menagerie" and the behind-the-scenes cock up that was "Arena".

 

[BillJ]

It's practically Stewart's best performances in the franchise. And nothing TNG related comes close to its cinematography, IMO

I actually prefer Nemesis to First Contact. I think it was simply the more movie-like movie. While the execution was rough, it felt far more original that First Contact.

 

[Alan Roi]

They always struggled with getting scripts they could film. Which is why we ended up with "The Menagerie" and the behind-the-scenes cock up that was "Arena".

And scripts in TNG were constantly being rewritten in order to fit the TNG "vision". i remember one pair of writers mentioning in one script all that remained was a sight gag and a single line.

 

[Alan Roi]

I actually prefer Nemesis to First Contact. I think it was simply the more movie-like movie. While the execution was rough, it felt far more original that First Contact.

To each their own. To me more original doesn't mean better. Execution of the idea has to be worth something.

 

[BillJ]

And scripts in TNG were constantly being rewritten in order to fit the TNG "vision".

The TNG writers room was all over the place until Michael Piller joined the fray early in season three. Even Roddenberry's lawyer was rewriting scripts early on.

 

[BillJ]

To each their own. To me more original doesn't mean better. Execution of the idea has to be worth something.

I think there's enough good acting, interesting scenes and overall originality to easily push it past First Contact. There's also a bunch of cringeworthy stuff as well. Beyond that, it was the first time a Star Trek movie felt like a movie since TMP. Frakes is a competent director, but his work is very conservative and TV-like.

But, like everything else in life, mileage will vary.