IMO, horror is a valid form of artistic expression as any. But, yeah, i guess some people consider it schlock by default.
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IMO, horror is a valid form of artistic expression as any. But, yeah, i guess some people consider it schlock by default.
Not schlock, but not enjoyable either for me. So, in general, I dismiss it.
Theft involves a lack of consent.
Troi did not have sex, she was not penetrated etc etc (man this is crude to explain but hey ho) a glowing ball of light did it’s SF thing and whoosh she was spontaneously pregnant. It was, as it were, a screamingly obvious immaculate conception. Hence the screamingly obvious Jesus alien wandering around later. Clumsy as heck.
DSC had bladed Klingon rodeo with added torture porn. Fifty shades of Gagh. Tyler didn’t consent. He couldn’t. He was clearly shown as a discreet seperate person to Voq, who outright talks about himself as someone being a victim of rape. The only get out clause is...we aren’t sure if he is actually remembering what happened or not. The way it is presented is as rape.
And don’t tell me L’Rell had her thrupneys out for anything but cheap ‘adult’ thrills, it was Theiss titillation theory for the game of thrones generation.
Actually, I forgot Man vs. Society.
I am not sure Picards head is where the antagonist is hiding. Or are you back on dramatic conflict theory?
Cos I did a masters in that area, and frankly, I still don’t believe in the oversimplification of narrative that almost inevitably leads to.
Hugh.
Thanks. Fixed
That really did't bother me in the context it happened. Kirk probably would have done the same. It is not like the were leaving boobytrapped bodies lying around for someone to stumble upon later. My only problem with Georgiou was that they killed her; she was great (unlike her disgusting cartoon counterpart from the Mirror Universe.) And relating to the actual topic, this is why I am hesitant yet to declare the Picard to be clearly superior show than Discovery. I rather liked the first episode of Discovery too, but boy, did it go downhill fast! I would have preferred Star Trek: Shenzhou over Star Trek: Discovery... Likewise with the Picard we're in the early stages, we have really not yet seen how the show will be like.
Way too rational.
Tyler, however, didn't have the sex. Voq did. Tyler just remembers the sex Voq had. I'm not sure how to qualify it. If one has multiple personalities, do all of them need to consent for the sex one of them has for it to be consensual?
I don't care how Trois impregnation was achieved or how she acted afterwards. She still didn't consent.
Both are icky.
I quite liked her too. She had the Janeway science tutor thing happening, but with a wry grin, and I genuinely liked her.
Unfortunately, the bomb thing is literally a war crime by our own modern standards now, I can’t see that changing. If some random sweaty vest action hero did it? Sure. The exact set up in DSC and the characters doing it left a very bad taste in the mouth.
I agree on everything else you say here though. But hey, 21st century means we need war and grim dark, not cool captain exploring. *le sigh*
So they gave her the most unpleasant ending of any Trek protagonist (or antagonist) ever.
If one is to accept that there is any dramatic conflict going on in this story for Picard, and I do, its going on inside his head between the part of him that is hanging on to his "offended dignity" and the one that feels the need to break out of the "waiting to die" state he's recognized he's in.
No argument there.
We cannot tell. It is entirely possible L’Rell continued having sex with Tyler once he was Tyler, at which point it becomes cut and dry. It was also presented outright as rape. Repeatedly in fact. Torture and rape. We see it presented on screen. Tyler describes it pretty much in the voice of a victim of rape (having to do things to survive etc)
Even if we go with your point, then Burnham is complicit in the rape of Voq, because Voq didn’t consent to Tyler having nookie
Troi got pregnant. Kind of. It usually occurs through sex. It didn’t in the episode. Whilst it could be seen as an analogy, it wasn’t presented as such in this episode (there are plenty of analogies for rape or SFish rape, many with Troi, elsewhere. Nowhere was it brushed under the carpet as on DSC. Not even here in The Child in fact) if anything it was ‘alien parasite’ story.
Both are clumsy. One more so.
Wait, wait... you're arguing that Troi was raped... and Tyler wasn't? I don't even know how to respond to that.