Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Vger23]

I'll trust Berman over Kurtzman in a heartbeat when it comes to honoring Trek continuity but let's not pretend his behavior is "acceptably" normal nor should be shrugged off.

It was admittedly easier for Berman though, as the series under his control were all produced by roughly the same people and during the same timeframe. Not only are the Kurtzman series not produced by those same people...but they are decades apart (yet require more direct linkage), so it's a bit harder to keep track of I'd guess.

 

[fireproof78]

What could be more simplistic TNG chestnut, "disagreeing with Captain Picard is bad". See? Everyone can play this game.

Seems to be the case.

 

[EnriqueH]

Loved the premiere.

I also took the opportunity, now that I have CBS All Acess, to check out Discovery. I enjoyed it!!

 

[Noname Given]

I'll trust Berman over Kurtzman in a heartbeat when it comes to honoring Trek continuity but let's not pretend his behavior is "acceptably" normal nor should be shrugged off.

After ENT S4 - "These Are The Voyages", I wouldn't trust Berman with Trek continuity, or to write a Trek related address label, let alone another Star trek script. As far as Star Trek goes, the man is past his expiration date and WELL into burn out.

 

[Tuskin38]

Just sounds like a typical Hollywood man to me.

That doesn't make it ok, jesus man.

 

[cooleddie74]

After ENT S4 - "These Are The Voyages", I wouldn't trust Berman with Trek continuity, or to write a Trek related address label, let alone another Star trek script. As far as Star Trek goes, the man is past his expiration date and WELL into burn out.

Thanks for reminding me about "TATV...(ENT)." Now I'm going to have to nuke this entire board from orbit and have nobody to blame but you.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was admittedly easier for Berman though, as the series under his control were all produced by roughly the same people and during the same timeframe. Not only are the Kurtzman series not produced by those same people...but they are decades apart (yet require more direct linkage), so it's a bit harder to keep track of I'd guess.

Berman was pretty much creating the bulk of Trek"s continuity in his tenure. TOS was the only thing out there to be ignore. And it was for the most part.

 

[cooleddie74]

Of the nearly 800 canonical Trek adventures aired or released to date Berman oversaw 600 or more.

 

[jaime]

What could be more simplistic than the common TNG chestnut, "disagreeing with Captain Picard is bad". See? Everyone can play this game.

Because Picard is the character who represents ‘good’ values.
Do you also find yourself siding with stormtroopers just to avoid doing what everyone else is doing?

It is more complex than STD.
It also didn’t have a Starfleet captain, a ‘goodie’ commit a war crime in its opening episode. So there’s that.
But you do you.

 

[fireproof78]

inter arma enim silent leges.

Star Trek has played with moral gray areas a lot and I don't want to assume that one captain is "a good guy" always. They are allowed to be wrong, to make wrong choices to screw up morally.

 

[Danja]

Dahj has her sister in her phone favourites

https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1221529536145346560?s=21

She's close to her her sister.

This most certainly is a twist.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Thanks for reminding me about "TATV...(ENT)." Now I'm going to have to nuke this entire board from orbit and have nobody to blame but you.

It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Jadeb]

What could be more simplistic than the common TNG chestnut, "disagreeing with Captain Picard is bad". See? Everyone can play this game.

What’s interesting about what Picard has given us is that there’s the possibility that Picard isn’t right, or at least that reasonable minds might disagree. Discovery, on the other hand, had zero interest in actually considering the “issues” it raised — it was never going to seriously argue that “torture is good” or “genocide is good.” Genocide is only broached — and then dismissed immediately — so Burnham can give the requisite Star Trek values speech.

Admittedly, Picard is being brought to us by many of the same people behind Discovery, so it may prove just as simplistic. But hope springs eternal.

 

[AgentCoop]

Yeah, I started to watch that RLM review. I turned it off when they were saying that Picard shouldn't care about Data because Data was "just a guy who worked for him". Seemed like they were being deliberately obtuse just so they stick to their "we hate everything" brand.

On another note, I was taken a little bit by surprise by how much this show seems to be a direct sequel to Nemesis. Androids, Romulans, Data's death. Nemesis is pretty widely disliked so I would've expected them to pretty much ignore it as much as possible. Good on them for tackling it head on.

 

[Noname Given]

What’s interesting about what Picard has given us is that there’s the possibility that Picard isn’t right, or at least that reasonable minds might disagree. Discovery, on the other hand, had zero interest in actually considering the “issues” it raised — it was never going to seriously argue that “torture is good” or “genocide is good.” Genocide is only broached — and then dismissed immediately — so Burnham can give the requisite Star Trek values speech.

Admittedly, Picard is being brought to us by many of the same people behind Discovery, so it may prove just as simplistic. But hope springs eternal.

Oh please...if there's one thing Picard believes TO THIS DAY (in the series - and I'm sure he'll see that belief reinforced) is that "Starfleet ISN'T STARFLEET!" - IE - "The Star Fleet that exists ISN'T what he believed it to be when he joined...and that's wrong...so, HE'S going to get his own crew together and FIX IT!"

They have YET to show in any way that "He isn't right..." within the show itself as yet (but it's one episode in).

 

[AgentCoop]

Yeah, remember that time Picard murdered one of his own crew members on the holodeck and everyone congratulated him on how right he was?

 

[Longinus]

Well, Picard most likely indeed is right, but the opposing viewpoint is not cartoonishly evil.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think it's possible Picard might realize he was always seeing Starfleet through rosey goggles - the realization that the insidious underbelly of Starfleet has always existed and he just refused to see it.

There's a "post-woke" metaphor to be had there.

 

[Jadeb]

Well, Picard most likely indeed is right, but the opposing viewpoint is not cartoonishly evil.

Yes, that’s my expected outcome, and the difference in the two shows. (I hope.)

 

[Alan Roi]

What’s interesting about what Picard has given us is that there’s the possibility that Picard isn’t right, or at least that reasonable minds might disagree. Discovery, on the other hand, had zero interest in actually considering the “issues” it raised — it was never going to seriously argue that “torture is good” or “genocide is good.” Genocide is only broached — and then dismissed immediately — so Burnham can give the requisite Star Trek values speech.

Admittedly, Picard is being brought to us by many of the same people behind Discovery, so it may prove just as simplistic. But hope springs eternal.

Did you watch Discovery, or just what the hacks on youtube like Midnight's Edge say about the show? Because they are about as accurately reductive of the show as you are. Picard and TNG has even faced the genocide issue, and guess what, he spent no more time considering the "issue" of genocide in I, Borg than Discovery does. But I guess if its Picard saying the requisite speech at the end of the episode, then the issue has been considered deeply by default, right?